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post #109721 of 109780 (permalink) Old 07-27-2019, 11:12 AM
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I'm not even finished with my build yet, and I'm already tired of using pipes rather than soft tubing. For somone who tinkers a lot in their computer hardline is more of an obstacle than a benefit. Still, they do look nice though...
my only problem with soft tube is the evap i suffer in a build the size of sth10, however I'll likely never go hard tube as i'm just not a gentle person. I break glass. OMG the # of bongs i've smashed.

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my only problem with soft tube is the evap i suffer in a build the size of sth10, however I'll likely never go hard tube as i'm just not a gentle person. I break glass. OMG the # of bongs i've smashed.
Not to mention its horribly impractical, unless you like draining and tearing down part of your loop every time you need to change or troubleshoot anything.

I love hard tubing for showcase builds, but for me its not worth it for a loop I actually plan to use long term. Evap is a very minor issue in comparison.
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Thought I would do a quick rotation of the Eisblock XPX CPU-waterblock in my system as the 3800X was running so damn hot with AVX loads when trying to OC.
I had it first in a "goofy" rotation, wanted to try a "regular" rotation on how it's meant to be mounted.

Long story short, it became more of a hassle than I thought. Spilled water everywhere 3 times. First at disassembly and twice when filling it up again.

The damn GPX SLI connector flew right out of the GPU every time, just PLOP and GUSH water everywhere!

What a damn hassle. Took time to clean up and check parts they weren't soaked down.

Either way that damn SLI connector went off and not going back in there again. It sits too loose and can't handle the pressure when filling up the loop I think. Water/Air takes the path of least resistance and it just flies off.
I had noticed it sat kinda loose with those double-O-ring connectors but it worked fine the first time around.. But now it was much more loose than before. No way it would stay in place any more.
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So this is my new Ryzen build. Well aware the bends suck.

It's been three years since I've done this. Started with acrylic and went through like 12 500mm tubes. Hard no to acrylic.

Back to PETG just to get things running. With all the 90s in here I honestly think I might need a second pump because the flow rate doesn't seem to be that great judging off my little fountain. Anyway when a GPU worth upgrading from my 1080 comes out I may go ahead and get the serial REVO pump top and a second D5.

It's crazy how much difficulty a second bend in one piece of tube adds. My 6700k only had one bend in every tube run and I did it by hand and it came out looking perfect. This made me feel like an old man and took days to even get it in this state. Kind of have to laugh at myself a little because I thought I'd be done and dusted with perfect bends the afternoon I first got back from Microcenter with my 3900.
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Let me preface this response with: There is no right way or wrong way for tubing other than how you run your tubing.

That said I find these two Cons to be the deciding factor in what I run.

Rigid Con: Replacing parts can and often do require one or two more tubes to be bent. This is specifically for MB, and GPU upgrades. In some respects you can avoid this with a couple of fittings added at key points but if you're a Bend Hound you would need to replace tubing.

Flex Con: 1st and Foremost is Plasticiser. There are few tubing manufacturers that don't use the stuff in vinyl flex tubing. Heat is what activates it and it WILL leech into coolant and cause us Water Cooling Enthusiasts headaches later on down the line after the initial setup process is complete. Flushing every component in the loop to get the stuff out of it. If you add dye to your mix it will color the stuff and you will see that not only will you have to flush one or more Radiators, you will have to clean any microfins cut into your blocks. Not only that but then you have to purchase more tubing to replace the original tubing. Some day they may come up with a way to connect all the fittings that don't require any tubing, but they don't so yeah.

The latter Con is why I chose to go with Acrylic. I won't ever purchase PETG because if I ever want to go with a Premix(EK or otherwise) it may contain Ethylene Glycol and that is a component of the PETG Formula. I don't feel like having my tubes melt from the inside out. No matter how slow a process it may be.

Of course, one could always go with Copper tubing and avoid it altogether. I just may do this in the Winter since this Summer has been fairly hot and Copper would add a little cooling performance. Probably not more than sub 1*c per tube but it does have surface contacted by coolant and with a little airflow should be good for that at least.

Well anydoo... the Enthusiast has to come to the determination, how much time, energy and money they wish to sink into something like fittings, tubing and the work that invariably comes with that choice. Personally I would rather(and have) go with rigid as I can change any tube and it only takes a few minutes, not included drain flush and fill time. Even with that it's still less time and energy than having to Flush and Fill a Flex tubing setup gunked with plasticizer.

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On that note, what's the long term verdict on tubing like zmt? It's supposed to help with that? I have some but haven't really used it.

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I liked my glass tube build a lot, but I was stuck with what I had installed, any upgrade required new cuts. Maintenance was also annoying, I found it more difficult to drain, and would get more air locks when refilling. That said, it was the best looking build I ever did and I plan to do another one in a smaller case hopefully using what I have stored away. Spent a lot more on fittings as well.



Ever since I went zmt, I've never considered any other material. Easiest to work with IMO if you don't mind black tubes. I'm all for ZMT these days, about 2 years so far on the original tubes. Only thing you should do is trim off the old ends when reinstalling as the barbs stretch them out.


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I haven't noticed any plasticizer residue in my loop with the tubing I've used but that they have stained in various ways. The first Chinese tubing from Alphacool kit was crap and became brown quickly the newer made in Germany was better but there gathers this white "frost" residue on the inside in my loop. I don't really mind as it plays into the loop somewhat. I dig the frosty theme somewhat.
It's easy to scrub off if you would want and it only gathers in the tubes not in the acrylic reservoir or blocks etc. Basically wipe it off with your finger or anything and they look as new.

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All these massive towers here, time to some smaller stuff to fuuuu your fingers trying to get things in place....


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