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post #51 of 61 (permalink) Old 03-19-2016, 08:07 AM - Thread Starter
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ok, so how dose one direct die a TEC setup to a set of video cards in SLI?



the reason I ask, is because I have wondered how that would work for quite some time, I do not have the room for such a setup.
I know that the PCI-e slots can be extended with wires and another PCI-e slot mounted else where, I have seen this done on a system that was mounted on a wall.
I guess what I am asking is these systems are designed to be used on several different builds as the years pass, and we don't always have a choice on where the slots for a SLI setup will be located on the motherboard. so how are you going to make this upgrade in such a way that it will be universal for all of the builds to come?

I wouldn't be running direct die on GPUs, but if I was I would probably use GPU risers like you said to space out the cards more just to make it compatible with different mobos. On my z97 Sabertooth I have plenty of room, and am running pretty beefy CPU blocks on them already, but other boards with tighter slots wouldn't work.

Chillers are the easiest for GPUs.


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ok, so with the water chillers for cooling the GPU's are they going to be the same design as the ones cooling the CPU TEC's hot side?

also with the direct die setup on CPU I would think that this could potentially get very cold, with cold water running through the water block on the hot side of the TEC, what kind of temps on the cold side of the TEC have you seen on this setup, with no heat load on the cold side of the system?
only if you have done this.
I ask because it is my under standing that even though the TEC can never reach its coldest temp with a heat load on the cold side of the TEC, that it is always trying to get there. so I call this coldest temp that the TEC can reach with no heat load, the systems potential temp.

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ok, so with the water chillers for cooling the GPU's are they going to be the same design as the ones cooling the CPU TEC's hot side?

also with the direct die setup on CPU I would think that this could potentially get very cold, with cold water running through the water block on the hot side of the TEC, what kind of temps on the cold side of the TEC have you seen on this setup, with no heat load on the cold side of the system?
only if you have done this.
I ask because it is my under standing that even though the TEC can never reach its coldest temp with a heat load on the cold side of the TEC, that it is always trying to get there. so I call this coldest temp that the TEC can reach with no heat load, the systems potential temp.
I am currently just using the CPU block, not the chillers, but it still works fine for my setup (and uses like 1/3 the electricity!).

With just the block, my modded controller limits the cold plate temp to 0*c, which it can easily hold at idle with low duty cycle. It only uses around 20% to hold 15*c while browsing the Web, and uses around 60% to hold the plate at 15*c during gaming. That gives me a load temp in the low 50s at 5ghz after an hour + of gaming while only using 60-65% of my available cooling. At full tilt it cuts almost 10c off that, but heats up the room and uses a lot more power.


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power consumption tongue.gif
I don't worry about the gas mileage, when I am building a race car. biggrin.gif
to me this type of cooling system is very similar to a race car, so I am not going to worry about the power consumption on my cooling solution. thumb.gif

I'll just act, like it dose not exist. rolleyes.gif

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tsk, tsk, tsk wrong attitude smile.gif

If your consumption is say 100 Gallon to the Mile, you're not going to win many races... because you're not going very far. smile.gif
And if it is endurance, where fuel stops are allowed, you'ld be spending too much time in the pits getting fueled up smile.gif
And even the quarter mile drag race is no longer on the table, since you would need at least 25 gallons just to finish the quarter mile... and 25 Gallons of fuel is HEAVY, which you would have to compensate with more HP, which then ups fuel consumption, needing more as 25 gallon. Also, you may have to cut your tyres differently to get all these HP to the tarmac, which might add weight... etc etc etc smile.gifbiggrin.gifwink.giftongue.gif

On the bleeding edge... it all becomes very much rocket-science, doesn't it ? smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif

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Power consumption issues are not just because of the cost - it is because dumping an extra 600w into a room 24/7 literally is a heater. This is another reason why controllers are so important on a rig that stays on for long periods of time - not just for condensation prevention, but to limit the amount of heat being released while idle.

After an hour or two of gaming, the room will be a couple *C warmer then the rest of the house, even with the central AC vents pointing towards the system. Not a big deal when its only 70* out, but on our 100% humidity 90+* days it becomes much more noticeable.


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devil.gif that is every day for me, I live in AZ and I use evaporative coolers not A/C's, so my house stays cool about 28C when it's 48C out side, but there is a lot of moisture in the air all the time. biggrin.gif

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Power consumption issues are not just because of the cost - it is because dumping an extra 600w into a room 24/7 literally is a heater. This is another reason why controllers are so important on a rig that stays on for long periods of time - not just for condensation prevention, but to limit the amount of heat being released while idle.

After an hour or two of gaming, the room will be a couple *C warmer then the rest of the house, even with the central AC vents pointing towards the system. Not a big deal when its only 70* out, but on our 100% humidity 90+* days it becomes much more noticeable.

Totally agree!

Falls into the category of for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and along with that increased heat comes the rise in ambient which affects any part of the system directly using ambient for cooling, as radiators cooling the hot side still rely on the cooling fans relying on the ambient room temperature.

One good thing for my setup is I do not have to run the heat in my office in the winter and in the Summer I already had an AC in my office and it has to be run to stay in there!

The consequences for running this type of cooling.
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devil.gif that is every day for me, I live in AZ and I use evaporative coolers not A/C's, so my house stays cool about 28C when it's 48C out side, but there is a lot of moisture in the air all the time. biggrin.gif

I thought you said you lived in Canada?
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tsk, tsk, tsk wrong attitude smile.gif

If your consumption is say 100 Gallon to the Mile, you're not going to win many races... because you're not going very far. smile.gif
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On the bleeding edge... it all becomes very much rocket-science, doesn't it ? smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif

That's So true!
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