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post #91 of 102 (permalink) Old 03-15-2019, 04:23 PM - Thread Starter
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Yeah, now that you mention it, those fins look super dense.

basically they are 300watt radiators with fans that will move enough air through them. this is also why I am using box fans for these radiators, at $17 for a box fan, and I can fit 4 360mm radiators on one box fan, that makes outfitting the radiators with fans cheap. the radiators are cheap to, at $22 dollars each, considering that I needed 12 more of them to cool this setup. this was my best option. so I am adding 3000watts worth of radiator to a hot loop, that already has 2000watts worth of radiator. this gives me a total of 5000watts worth of radiator for the 6 331watt TEC's. yes, these TEC's really do need this much cooling. if you plan on using them at 3/4 power, and keeping the hot side water loop within a 10C delta T from ambient.

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post #92 of 102 (permalink) Old 03-20-2019, 10:52 PM
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no they came that way, but they are aluminum, I decided to go aluminum because I needed so many, and their is only about a 50watt difference between copper, and aluminum in that size radiator. also the copper are 10FPI, and the aluminum are 20FPI, so the aluminum radiators need 3000RPM fans, or better to function well.


currently I am working on getting a second table, and a wood table top to place on top of that. so this project just got twice the amount of surface area to mount stuff to. not the best solution, but I have no other. I will be setting all this up over the next week or two and getting the new radiators installed on the hot side water loops.
So my chiller build that got back burnered, is going to use a wire shelf rack. That may be an option to consider? I planned to extend non chilled cooling with external rads mounted between the posts.

May be an idea as a way to mount all those rads, without alot of surface area.

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Hi

I really like this build. I run a hailea 1000a and find it interesting the similarity of the performance between the systems. (within reason. I know the hailea is 1hp.) Looking at the expense of your most recent investment i really wonder what your gaining over eaisier solutions.
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Hi

I really like this build. I run a hailea 1000a and find it interesting the similarity of the performance between the systems. (within reason. I know the hailea is 1hp.) Looking at the expense of your most recent investment i really wonder what your gaining over eaisier solutions.

well, A/C Vs TEC, first and most obvious would be the constant cooling, and steady temps. a TEC system does not turn on and off based on motor heat, or overheating of the compressor. less heat released into the room because I am using 24 radiators I keep the hot side water loop below a 10C delta T. last thing is that it only takes three minutes to cool the water down to 0C from ambient.


now for the cons, it cost more, it takes up a lot more room, and uses a lot more electricity. so I can only say that I am doing it, because others said that it would not work. it is not the best solution, but it is a stable one.


so looking at the gains, to cons, I would say that you are better off with the system you are using. I really wanted something that I could tinker with for years to come. I have been water cooling my PC systems for 20 years now, I have tried TEC's before, and A/C cooling, both systems fried from condensation. this time with the chill box, I really feel that I will not loose any more systems from condensation. so if I was to suggest a upgrade, it would be that, to get a chill box for your PC system, this will prevent condensation from occurring.

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We are on the same wave-length mate. Condensation is the real killer in these builds. Having the hailea has highlighted that for me several times. Honestly, the way i am running it now in terms of power consumption and system safety is a constant 15 degrees c. I run 6-8mins an hour at idle and 15-20mins and hour at full load. What im noticing is that the temps dont really change across the components.

IE hailea runs a cpu and two cards in sli. From leaving the reservoir to rentering the reservoir the fluid temps only raise by 5-6c.
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Nice to see this still active! I love crazy builds like this. Been thinking of some condensation-fighting means for my own chiller contraption:

1. Vermiculite (kind of like potted plant soil)
2. Plumber's Putty (maybe for the bottom of the mobo)
3. Small chest freezer (basically as a chillbox, would need to use watercooled GPU, otherwise too much heat for the freezer to cool. It would just be to provide cold dry air around the components. Downside: have a big freezer in my house now)
4. AC unit based chillbox (would have to modify the AC to run below ~50F)
5. Dehumidifier box

How did the clay work out? I looked at using some for motherboard insulation instead of overpriced kneaded eraser, but most clays contain water. The plumber's putty I think is non-conductive.

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Nice to see this still active! I love crazy builds like this. Been thinking of some condensation-fighting means for my own chiller contraption:

1. Vermiculite (kind of like potted plant soil)
2. Plumber's Putty (maybe for the bottom of the mobo)
3. Small chest freezer (basically as a chillbox, would need to use watercooled GPU, otherwise too much heat for the freezer to cool. It would just be to provide cold dry air around the components. Downside: have a big freezer in my house now)
4. AC unit based chillbox (would have to modify the AC to run below ~50F)
5. Dehumidifier box

How did the clay work out? I looked at using some for motherboard insulation instead of overpriced kneaded eraser, but most clays contain water. The plumber's putty I think is non-conductive.

well I did do several different designs before I ended up with the composition I have now. to start I do have eraser putty in between the water blocks, completely encasing the TEC's. than I covered the entire cold side water loop, in two layers of 5/8" thick foam. than I covered that in clay, about 1/4" thick across the cold side water loop. this setup completely stops all condensation down to -18C on this build. if the build was not capable of getting that cold I might have been able to get away with one layer of foam. the clay servers several roles. first it creates a air tight barrier between the ambient air and the cold side water loop. the second thing it does it fill in, or cover all the tiny holes that foam insulation will leave all over the cold side water loop. third, because I covered the water pumps as well, the environment around the water pump is cooled to the same temperature as the cold side water, so I do not have condensation forming on the electronics of the water pumps. so I would say that it works great.

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Have you had issues with pin rot? even a full Vaseline socket still gave me issues after 24/7/5-6 months at -40ish


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Have you had issues with pin rot? even a full Vaseline socket still gave me issues after 24/7/5-6 months at -40ish
well mine does not get that cold, but no, I do not get any pin rot at all, as condensation inside the chill box is impossible. the inside of the chill box, is always within 1C of the temperature of the water running though the chill box, because of the radiators inside the chill box. this environment prevents the formation of condensation, the only catch, is that the box has to be mostly sealed. their can be pin hole leaks without issue, but their can not be any gross leaks in the box at all. I seal all the holes in the chill box for the wiring, and water lines with liquid rubber. this plugs up all the gross leaks that would be in those areas. by using a wine cooler for the box, most of the box was already fully sealed.


on a side note, I use evaporative coolers to cool my home, not A/C. so the humidity in my house is high most of the year. so I needed a solution that would prevent condensation, regardless of the high humidity in my home.

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Now this is a very impressive build!! I mean it's big and wonderfully built. I think I read OP at 1750w of TECs!

6 X 331watt 31volt TEC's
6 X 224watt 24volt TEC's

I'm very curious the part numbers for these TECs!! I've been using a Singe TEC# 12715 Qmax of only 136W but was the largest watt TEC I could find that fit easily under most waterblocks at only 40mm. Do you have a couple of part numbers?

Maybe a suggestion for a single TEC solution?


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