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post #71 of 92 (permalink) Old 01-16-2019, 01:16 PM
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That would be great. I’m imaging 2 good sized waterblocks for each side of the tecs and that’s it.
I made a waterblock for my chiller using an enzotech cnbr1 brazed into a piece of copper piper that worked pretty well but was very high flow due to the large spacing of the pins. I’m not sure it affected performance because I used a monster pump but I’d really like a milling machine to make my own.
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post #72 of 92 (permalink) Old 01-16-2019, 04:51 PM - Thread Starter
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well here is a break down of the water blocks I am using.
3 magic cool AM3 CPU water blocks 19.99 each
6 FrozenCPU AM3 CPU all metal water blocks 29.99 each
6 Barrow 2011 CPU water blocks 29.99 each
3 XSPC raystorm AM3 CPU water blocks 49.99 each
6 Bitspower AM4 CPU water blocks 59.99 each


so, really the water blocks, are some of the cheapest parts on this build.


as for the cost, this has taken 3 years already. so that's about $2000 a year, or about $200 a month, and that is about what I have put into this over the last three years. about $200 a month, so looking at it that way, it does not seem like that much.


actually I am wiring all the TEC's now, because I still need a couple of fittings to finish the last hot loop. I have to wait until next month, before I will be able to afford them. also if something cost more than $200, I had to wait two months without getting anything, before I could get that one thing.


https://imgur.com/a/pLCOeyT




well this is where I am at now.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/rigbu...tle=AMD+AM3%2B
AMD AM3+
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TEC Power
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FX9590
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth 990FX
GPU
GTX580
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Samsung 1600
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OCZ 1250W, TT 600W, PowerMax 4 X 500W
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9 X TEC's 250W 15A 24V
Cooling
Standard Water cooling to cool the TEC's 6 X 360mm radiators
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19 X CPU water blocks
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2 X GTX580 GPU water blocks
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6 X water pumps
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Man this thing really is wild. How has the performance of that coloured putty stuff been?
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post #74 of 92 (permalink) Old 01-18-2019, 10:59 AM - Thread Starter
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that's the molding clay, I am covering the entire cold side in two layers of norprene 7/16" thick foam. than I will cover all of the foam in a 1/4" thick clay to seal the cold side off from the ambient air completely. this will absolutely prevent any condensation from forming. it also seems to improve the insulation of the cold side a little, but the main reason for the clay, is to prevent ambient air from being able to affect the cold side water loop. in total their will be about 50LBS of clay on this build. the normal price for molding clay is $3 a pound. I got it all on sell for $1.73 a pound, so I have about $85 in clay total. the foam I have was gotten the same way, the normal price for this foam is $3 a foot. I got it for $1.30 a foot and I have 240 feet, or about $300 total for just the foam being used on this build.


I started with just clay, and that did not work. so I tried clay, foam, clay, and that did not work. than I tried foam, clay, and that almost worked. so finally I tried foam, foam, clay, and that worked really well.


as far as actual building needed for this build, I had to build all the frames to mount all of the hardware to the table top. every thing on this build is mounted, so that it will not move, or be knocked over. so for just the aluminum and plastic angle, I have spent about $200. for all the nuts, bolts, and washers, used for the frames. so that I could mount the hardware to the frames, than also mounting the frames to the table top, I have spent about $300 total just for those. so nothing has been super cheap to do with this build. the high cost is on me, because I wanted to have Allen head bolts instead of Philips head bolts. the reason for the upgrade was that I had a lot of the Philips head bolts strip out on me, on the Philips head itself. the Allen head bolts do not strip out on me.


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ok, so it's wired, now I just wait until next month to get a couple of fittings, so I can finish the piping on the other hot side water loop. the first hot water loop is filled and working fine. the next will be the cold water loop. I let you know how that goes.

so this is what the new display looks like. the 9420RPM reading is the flow rate on that water loop or 9.420LPM would be the converted flow rate. if I did this right, I should have 9 plus LPM on all three of the water loops.
https://imgur.com/a/kfXFLeK


ok that makes two water loops the cold side water loop works and runs at 9.6LPM at 12 volts to the pumps I will increase to 24volts on the D5 strong pump when I start making the water get cold.
https://imgur.com/a/5GcLwq8





at this point I think you can tell just how big this cooling system is. ok, so I have tested all the fans on the second water loop, and so far all 44 fans will go active. the last test will be to see all the 7 of the pumps running with the 44 fans. right now I only have 5 pumps running with 44 fans. that's a lot of fans.
https://imgur.com/a/72kTFaP

ok so, I am a little over half way done with covering the cold side with two layers of foam. than I will cover all that foam in about 1/4" of clay.
https://imgur.com/a/CEAmP27

not to bad tomorrow I will start to clay the entire cold side water loop motors, and all. this process is not as easy as it seems, because I have to start at the water blocks, and work my way out from their, covering the build in clay, as I go. not much space to work in, so I have to make the most out of what I have.


ok so I have tested the 331watt TEC's with a full load on them or 600watts or heat load to that side. with the TEC's running at 13.4volts, or 135watts each, to the cold side of the TEC, puts the hot side water loop at a 12C delta T from ambient. that is as high as I can go with the TEC's on that side.


with the other side the 224watt TEC's I will have them running at 19volts this should put that water loop at a 12C delta T to ambient as well. the plus is that that side will be running at 165watts to the cold side of each TEC, except for one that will be running at 135watts. for a total of 1770watts to the cold side, for this build, hopefully soon we will get to see how well that can cool a entire PC build, of about 590watts total.

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TEC Power
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CPU
FX9590
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth 990FX
GPU
GTX580
RAM
Samsung 1600
Hard Drive
Intel 520 SSD 120Gigs
Optical Drive
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RAM
G skill 2133Mhz
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Intel 3700
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Asus
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OCZ 1250W, TT 600W, PowerMax 4 X 500W
Cooling
9 X TEC's 250W 15A 24V
Cooling
Standard Water cooling to cool the TEC's 6 X 360mm radiators
Cooling
19 X CPU water blocks
Cooling
2 X GTX580 GPU water blocks
Cooling
6 X water pumps
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3 X CPU air coolers
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ok, so this is after two days of putting clay on I still have a good week, and maybe two weeks before I will have the clay done.

this is the controller I got for the D5 strong.

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CPU
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GPU
GTX580
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Intel 520 SSD 120Gigs
Optical Drive
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water cooled
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G skill 2133Mhz
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Asus
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OCZ 1250W, TT 600W, PowerMax 4 X 500W
Cooling
9 X TEC's 250W 15A 24V
Cooling
Standard Water cooling to cool the TEC's 6 X 360mm radiators
Cooling
19 X CPU water blocks
Cooling
2 X GTX580 GPU water blocks
Cooling
6 X water pumps
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3 X CPU air coolers
Case
Coustom PC case inside a vacuum chamber
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Hi,
That clay mixture is pretty freaky looking

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ok, so this is basically what it will look like with the clay covering the cold side of the water loop.

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AMD AM3+
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TEC Power
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CPU
FX9590
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth 990FX
GPU
GTX580
RAM
Samsung 1600
Hard Drive
Intel 520 SSD 120Gigs
Optical Drive
DVD
Power Supply
Enermax 1350
Cooling
water cooled
Monitor
Asus 27"
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microsoft ergo
Mouse
RAT 9
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CPU
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DX79SR
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G skill 2133Mhz
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Asus
Power Supply
OCZ 1250W, TT 600W, PowerMax 4 X 500W
Cooling
9 X TEC's 250W 15A 24V
Cooling
Standard Water cooling to cool the TEC's 6 X 360mm radiators
Cooling
19 X CPU water blocks
Cooling
2 X GTX580 GPU water blocks
Cooling
6 X water pumps
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What is this thing weighing in at? Any plans for a cart or something?
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the cooling system alone is around 300LBS to 400LBS, with the chill box I would guess in the 500LBS range. it is all attached to a large desk top, with a table underneath it. I have made the build somewhat modular so taking it apart and moving it is possible but I really do not want to have to do that. so really this would not be a mobile cooling system.


as for the amount of clay on the cold side right now. about 60LBS total, and I have another 15LBS, to finish the piping to the chill box. so I have more than enough to finish the build.


I have not tested this build for condensation yet. so I may end up having to add another layer of foam in places, than covering that in clay again. my hope is that I will not have to but you never know until it is tested.


https://imgur.com/a/MEWVc77




ok, so I know I stated how I am powering my TEC's but I don't think that I have ever shown it. I have three 20amp plugs, each with their own 12AWG wire, and each with their own 20amp circuit breaker. I still have to wait a couple more days to order the fittings I need to finish the last hot water loop for this build than I will test my TEC's. ok, so the fittings I am getting 4 male to male rotary fittings, 8 X 3/8" ID 5/8" OD compression fittings, and two threaded acrylic extensions. with these I will be able to finish the last hot water loop and install a plastic fill port for the cold side water loop reservoir. with the plastic fill port on the reservoir I can finish the foam and clay on the top of the cold side water loop reservoir.


https://imgur.com/a/WyMlaQe







ok this is where I am at right now.


https://imgur.com/HECk95O



ok so literally all I have left to do is connect two lines of the last hot water loop and I can test this rig to see how cold it will get.

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TEC Power
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CPU
FX9590
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth 990FX
GPU
GTX580
RAM
Samsung 1600
Hard Drive
Intel 520 SSD 120Gigs
Optical Drive
DVD
Power Supply
Enermax 1350
Cooling
water cooled
Monitor
Asus 27"
Keyboard
microsoft ergo
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RAT 9
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steel series
Audio
ZX 7
CPU
3930K
Motherboard
DX79SR
GPU
GTX580
RAM
G skill 2133Mhz
Hard Drive
Intel 3700
Optical Drive
Asus
Power Supply
OCZ 1250W, TT 600W, PowerMax 4 X 500W
Cooling
9 X TEC's 250W 15A 24V
Cooling
Standard Water cooling to cool the TEC's 6 X 360mm radiators
Cooling
19 X CPU water blocks
Cooling
2 X GTX580 GPU water blocks
Cooling
6 X water pumps
Cooling
3 X CPU air coolers
Case
Coustom PC case inside a vacuum chamber
Operating System
Windows 7
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Gaming Pad
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GTX580
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G-Skill
Hard Drive
Intel 3700
Optical Drive
Asus DVD
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ok so I am not patient with some things. I went ahead and piped the last hot water loop and drained it after this quick test. so the last hot water loop works great, ran at 32.4C ambient is at 26C. the first hot water loop runs at 44.8C ambient is at 26C. the cold water loop runs at -0.1C after 3 minutes, this water loop would have went to -5.0C, but I am not running this water loop that cold, so I shut it down. I do need to build a third hot water loop and split the 331watt TEC's between two hot water loops. I think this would put the build at -13.0C. this is a lot colder than I need, but it would be nice to have that extra head room.


ok, so after wiping the build down with a paper towel, I found no condensation on this build at all. so I am really happy about that.





ok so standard 22AWG power wires, will not work with a D5 strong. now I am using 18AWG, and it seems to be working fine.


https://imgur.com/a/WkDiVJc






ok, so as you can see I got all the connectors, for the hot side water loop but I still have a lot of wiring to clean up. I have also finished the cold side water loop reservoir. now the plastic fill stem, does not get real cold past the clay. so the plus for this build so far is that it will get to below 0C. the down side for this build is that I still really need at least 6 more 360mm radiators, and I am considering getting 10 more. just for the 331watt TEC's they put out a lot of heat. with adding 10 radiators to the build. I will be able to add two more to the water loop I have, plus have a new water loop of 8 360mm radiators. the second hot water loop connected to the 224watt TEC's is about perfect while running all 6 TEC's fully loaded with a 600watt load it can sustain a 12C delta T, with all 12 TEC's active, with the same 600watt load, the second hot water loop can hold a 8C delta T. this would be a closer representation of how it should function with a PC and chill box attached to the system. I would like to be able to hold the 331watt TEC's to a 8C to 12C delta T as well, with these TEC's running at 26.4volts, but I will need a lot more radiators to do that.


https://imgur.com/a/qgDk0jk



ok, so this is a realistic view of how this rig is going to run for now, until I can get some more radiators. the cold side water loop has a flow rate of 8.6LPM with the cold side water temp at 8C. the hot side water loop is holding at 35C on both hot side water loops, and the ambient temp is 26C. this is how I will actually run the system for now, because this system has been running now for 18 hours straight, and with temps staying constant, on all the water loops.


so will the system run at 0C with a load? no it will not, it will run at 8C with a load like it is doing now, this was not my goal, but still not bad, considering that I am only running the TEC's at half power. if I double my radiators, I should be able to increase the voltage on all the TEC's to 3/4 power, and I really think that at that point, it will be able to hold the system at 0C with a full load. so the system still needs some upgrades but I am literally down to only needing more radiators for the build to get it to run the way I am wanting. I will be getting more of the aluminum radiators as the difference in how the two hot water loops function is within 200watts of each other. that amounts to about 33watts of difference per radiator. aluminum radiator cost $30 each copper radiators cost $50 each you do the math, to me the extra 33watts is not worth the extra $20 per radiator.


https://www.amazon.com/Kats-11619-Wa...st+Plug+Heater


the 600 watt water heater I am using.





so with a little tweaking I got it down to 7.1C, so what am I doing? what are the water loops really doing. right now the 331watt TEC's are producing about 2112watts of heat to be dissipated. the 224watt TEC's are producing about 1962watts of heat to be dissipated. the total wattage the cold side water loop is producing about 1700watts of cooling. this is keeping a 600watts worth of heat load at 7.1C. this is on top of the heat being produced by the water pumps, as that is another 82watts of heat. so 1700watts of TEC cooling, can keep 682watts of heat at 7.1C. this is pretty good in my opinion, with out the 600watt heater, this build would go to -5C.

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AMD AM3+
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TEC Power
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CPU
FX9590
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth 990FX
GPU
GTX580
RAM
Samsung 1600
Hard Drive
Intel 520 SSD 120Gigs
Optical Drive
DVD
Power Supply
Enermax 1350
Cooling
water cooled
Monitor
Asus 27"
Keyboard
microsoft ergo
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RAT 9
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steel series
Audio
ZX 7
CPU
3930K
Motherboard
DX79SR
GPU
GTX580
RAM
G skill 2133Mhz
Hard Drive
Intel 3700
Optical Drive
Asus
Power Supply
OCZ 1250W, TT 600W, PowerMax 4 X 500W
Cooling
9 X TEC's 250W 15A 24V
Cooling
Standard Water cooling to cool the TEC's 6 X 360mm radiators
Cooling
19 X CPU water blocks
Cooling
2 X GTX580 GPU water blocks
Cooling
6 X water pumps
Cooling
3 X CPU air coolers
Case
Coustom PC case inside a vacuum chamber
Operating System
Windows 7
Monitor
Dell 30" ultra sharp
Keyboard
Blackwidow
Mouse
RAT 9
Mouse
Gaming Pad
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2.1 sound
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G930 head set
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Intel i7 3930K
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GTX580
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G-Skill
Hard Drive
Intel 3700
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Asus DVD
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