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Thermal Grizzly Liquid Metal performance degrading within 8-9 Month Period

Greetings OCN, I have delidded my 8700k back in mid-november of 2017. Since then, I have replaced my AIO from a corsair H115i to NZXT Kraken X62 due to the corsair Pump failing. I have not replaced my liquid metal application since then. I'm also using a decent application of the Noctua NT-H1 thermal paste between the IHS and the waterblock.

Within the recent month, I have noticed a dramatic increase in temperatures of my CPU during any type of load.

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Then : 5.00ghz @ 1.30v (used to get mid-30s Idle and 65c under full load)

Now: 5.00ghz @ 1.30v (Idle= low-40s, and 100+c and BSOD under full load)
Now: 4.80ghz @1.26v (Idle= mid-30s, low-40s, 90c+ under full load)

I understand the liquid metal needs to be re-applied after a certain period of time, but why would it start degrading so soon? I'm waiting on a new tube of Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut to arrive on Friday for me to reapply LM.

Thoughts? :/

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I doubt it's the LM, I went 2 years plus without doing anything to it. Performed no better after replacing. My money is another AIO failure.

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Quote: Originally Posted by white owl View Post
I doubt it's the LM, I went 2 years plus without doing anything to it. Performed no better after replacing. My money is another AIO failure.
Jeez, That is no good lol. If that's going to actually be the case, I need to find a reliable liquid cooled product to cool this darn CPU.

When the 115i failed, my system behaved the exact same way where temps would be "acceptable" on idle but not under heavy load. Under medium load, it's fine, it would hover between 55c and 70c max but I gotta keep reminding myself, my CPU is already delidded, has LM and watercooled. Why can't I Keep this CPU's temps away from 100c+ and BSOD under heavy load for too long

Maybe that's just my luck with these AIOs

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Well it's just AIOs for the most part. Think about how much a good pump like a D5 costs in comparison to an AIO, clearly they don't have to budget for great pumps in these things.
If it turns out that I'm right and the pump is dying, you should really consider a good air cooler, there are some that perform as well as the 240mm and some 280mm AIOs and they'll never die on you in a significant way (fan failure).
Sounds like the pump is still working but doesn't have the flow to keep up with full load anymore. I could be wrong so don't just take my word for it lol.

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One more quick question, attached to this reply is a screen shot showing both my GPU and CPU AIO units. both show Pump RPMs. Does that mean that both pumps are actually functional since there is an RPM readout or does the RPM readout doesn't matter and it could actually still be a dead pump?

Anyone had previous experiences with NZXT or similar AIOs?

When setting the pumps to full speed, i can definitely hear the liquid going through the loop (very subtle noise) verses having them run at their currently assigned silent profiles.
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Last thing I want to add is that when I hold the tubes going from the GPU to the 140mm AIO, i can feel them getting really warm, which is a good sign that the unit is doing it's job. However when I hold the tubes going from the CPU to the 280mm AIO i can feel them get barely warm and that the rad it'self barely changes temp wise while the CPU would be close to 70, 80 or even 90c. which makes me believe I simply need to reapply and reseat (I hope).

Thank you for your input btw...

OCN changed quite a bit for me, I'm still not fully accustomed to the new design, I can't give helpful individuals + rep? or am I missing something?

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I don't know much about AIOs other than they often enough do not die all at once and you can get a reading from a pump that's on it's way out. Dying pump was the conclusion of every other thread I've read where people reported similar symptoms and I've never heard of anyone's LM degrading over such a small time. The only way to really test it is to use a working cooler or redo the TIM.

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Thank you white owl. I'll update the thread once I get my LM in the mail

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Hello again OCN. I have finally received LM in the mail and have cleaned out the old application of LM and applied a new one. My issue is 100% fixed.

Seems like for some reason the old LM application has dried out, I'm not quite sure why that's the case. This time I've applied an ever so slightly additional mount of LM on the CPU die and the IHS. I have noticed that there was discoloration on the IHS between it and the die. I've tried to clean it as much as possible with 91% alcohol but there was a good footprint still there that couldn't be removed, as much as I tried at least.

I've also applied Noctua's NT-H1 thermal paste between the IHS and the AIO block.

Any thoughts on why could LM would dry out within that ~9 months period?

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My Conductonaut applies also keep on drying, on Friday I noticed my relidded cpu was glued together badly and it delidded itself back while I was clearing the ihs to prepare it for lapping. Then I noticed the LM on dies dried out to dust. But can't say thermals worsened as I did not monitor it. It also dried out on IHS after like 3 months.

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