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Innovation Cooling Graphite Thermal Pad

IC Graphite Thermal Pad – Preliminary

High Performance Thermal Interface Alternative to Thermal Compound for CPU’s, GPU’s and Gamestations.
Available Sizes 30mm X 30mm or 40 X40mm Graphite Thermal Pad

IC Graphite Features:

Top tier thermal performance.
Temperature operating range -200 C to +400C.
Extraordinary durability – Dry solution, contains no liquids so can not pump or bake out like a thermal paste.
Reusable.
Modular solution – No guessing application amount.
No messy clean up.

Characteristics

Thermal Conductivity – 35 W/m-K
Conformable – Gaps interface voids functioning same as thermal Compounds/
Temperature Range: -200°C to 400°C
Thermally Stable Up To 400°C
RoHS Compliant

https://www.innovationcooling.com/pr...e-thermal-pad/

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Der8auer's Counter to IC Graphite Thermal Pads - Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut

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I'm pretty surprised using this thermal pad on my LG Gram 15 instead a classic thermal paste. This laptop is equipped with a CPU Intel Core i7-7500U Processor and running P95 in Small FFTs torture test, is sitting on 35 ~ 79 ~ 85 degrees as minimum, average, maximum temperatures. Few hours of activity. I have to say that over the heat sink, between it and the aluminum cover laptop shell, I added a 2 millimeters cheap thermal pad, but as final result, I can say that I'm satisfied. Curious to use this graphite thermal pad, also with my RTX 2080 Super and on the Intel 9900KS.
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I think thermal pads would greatly benefit from lapping IHS/heatsync.

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I think thermal pads would greatly benefit from lapping IHS/heatsync.
You don't need to, currently using 2 of these products together on top of my R3800x and it works perfectly. By having two pieces of Graphene it makes it thicker and able to fill in spaces on the IHS no matter the finish.

The temps are kept moderately low no matter the humidity or dryness in the air. These pads are mine forever, will never be throwing them out.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Elrick View Post
...By having two pieces of Graphene it makes it thicker and able to fill in spaces on the IHS no matter the finish...
These pads are made of graphite, not graphene. They are far thicker than one molecule.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Elrick View Post
You don't need to, currently using 2 of these products together on top of my R3800x and it works perfectly. By having two pieces of Graphene it makes it thicker and able to fill in spaces on the IHS no matter the finish.

The temps are kept moderately low no matter the humidity or dryness in the air. These pads are mine forever, will never be throwing them out.
That's an option but heat transfer is directly and inversely related to the distance between both surfaces. Doubling the thickness of the graphene is halving your potential. I don't know how to lap a GPU block... Laping a CPU/CPU block would be a very good idea for these.
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These pads are made of graphite, not graphene. They are far thicker than one molecule.
They don't conform with uneven surfaces nearly as well as thermal paste, unfortunately. They are also much thicker than the inevitable layer of thermal paste which is why they don't really compete. Even with a perfectly lapped pair of surfaces, I doubt these would do better than your average thermal paste.

I'm honestly not sure what niche these products fill. I've never been at want for thermal paste to the point that I've desired a "reusable" thermal solution.

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Quote: Originally Posted by StAndrew View Post
That's an option but heat transfer is directly and inversely related to the distance between both surfaces. Doubling the thickness of the graphene is halving your potential. I don't know how to lap a GPU block... Laping a CPU/CPU block would be a very good idea for these.


They don't conform with uneven surfaces nearly as well as thermal paste, unfortunately. They are also much thicker than the inevitable layer of thermal paste which is why they don't really compete. Even with a perfectly lapped pair of surfaces, I doubt these would do better than your average thermal paste.

I'm honestly not sure what niche these products fill. I've never been at want for thermal paste to the point that I've desired a "reusable" thermal solution.
And here we have another "expert" who hasn't tried them saying they won't work well when, in fact, individuals and reviewers who have used them say that they do work. Most report they do not cool quite as well as the better liquid and paste TIMs but that's by only around 2 degrees Centigrade, which is not even close to being enough to negate their advantages, such as not needing to be replaced every so often, being reusable, far easier to correctly apply, etc. Graphite is fairly soft so it can deform to accommodate all but the worst microscopic surface irregularities.

The first video linked did not show any actual tests. It had mostly hype by a manufacturer of a similar product.

The second video was about using conventional thermal pads, not actual graphite pads.

The third video had the hairy dude from the first video saying he was going to test graphite pads someday but also said he had preconceived notions about them.

The fourth video was an actual test of the Carbonaught graphite pads, which had roughly the same results other testers have gotten from IC's version.

Another actual test. this time on an IC pad:
Linus got roughly the same results as the Carbonaut test above.

If one is a gamer that plays on the bleeding edge of technology, then 2 degrees warmer will not be acceptable but, for most people, 2 degrees warmer is no big deal, especially those who prefer to use their computers over tinkering with them, especially if they tend to keep the same build for many years.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
And here we have another "expert" who hasn't tried them saying they won't work well when, in fact, individuals and reviewers who have used them say that they do work. Most report they do not cool quite as well as the better liquid and paste TIMs but that's by only around 2 degrees Centigrade, which is not even close to being enough to negate their advantages, such as not needing to be replaced every so often, being reusable, far easier to correctly apply, etc. Graphite is fairly soft so it can deform to accommodate all but the worst microscopic surface irregularities.

The first video linked did not show any actual tests. It had mostly hype by a manufacturer of a similar product.

The second video was about using conventional thermal pads, not actual graphite pads.

The third video had the hairy dude from the first video saying he was going to test graphite pads someday but also said he had preconceived notions about them.

The fourth video was an actual test of the Carbonaught graphite pads, which had roughly the same results other testers have gotten from IC's version.

Another actual test. this time on an IC pad:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpphKzmDiJM Linus got roughly the same results as the Carbonaut test above.

If one is a gamer that plays on the bleeding edge of technology, then 2 degrees warmer will not be acceptable but, for most people, 2 degrees warmer is no big deal, especially those who prefer to use their computers over tinkering with them, especially if they tend to keep the same build for many years.
And here we another internet "expert" radicalizing a post, making an argument against the imagined extreme connotations, and then restating main points form the original posts as if they were original thoughts, for what, internet points?

But all internet emotions aside, you basically just said the same thing I said.

I think where we differ is our subjective opinions on the advantages vs disadvantages. I personally don't think a conductive pad that can only be used exclusively on one CPU or one GPU and performs worse than paste (but costs about the same) is ever going to take the market by storm. I agree that most users not using "bleeding edge" technology can use a graphite pad just fine, but beyond the gimmick factor, why would they? A better performing tube of paste that can be used on a CPU, a GPU, another CPU, a CPU again, and then sit in a draw for years unused / unneeded (like my tube of AS5 from 7 years ago) just makes more sense.

Really stretching my mind, I can conceivably see these being useful for repair shops or in an extreme case of troubleshooting that requires multiple re-mounts, but that's a narrow niche...

Maybe servers? Do servers have an inherent issue with having to replace TIM so often that this would be needed? I would think hardware would be getting upgraded before TIM is needing to be replaced... I don't know. The long term stability may be a valid advantage, I just don't know who needs it.

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Quote: Originally Posted by StAndrew View Post
And here we another internet "expert" radicalizing a post, making an argument against the imagined extreme connotations, and then restating main points form the original posts as if they were original thoughts, for what, internet points?

But all internet emotions aside, you basically just said the same thing I said.

I think where we differ is our subjective opinions on the advantages vs disadvantages. I personally don't think a conductive pad that can only be used exclusively on one CPU or one GPU and performs worse than paste (but costs about the same) is ever going to take the market by storm. I agree that most users not using "bleeding edge" technology can use a graphite pad just fine, but beyond the gimmick factor, why would they? A better performing tube of paste that can be used on a CPU, a GPU, another CPU, a CPU again, and then sit in a draw for years unused / unneeded (like my tube of AS5 from 7 years ago) just makes more sense.

Really stretching my mind, I can conceivably see these being useful for repair shops or in an extreme case of troubleshooting that requires multiple re-mounts, but that's a narrow niche...

Maybe servers? Do servers have an inherent issue with having to replace TIM so often that this would be needed? I would think hardware would be getting upgraded before TIM is needing to be replaced... I don't know. The long term stability may be a valid advantage, I just don't know who needs it.
Sigh! You completely missed the point. Go ahead, believe what you want. I'm tired of trying to explain things to people with closed minds.

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Sigh! You completely missed the point. Go ahead, believe what you want. I'm tired of trying to explain things to people with closed minds.
No I got it, I just don't agree. But if you're going to quote me and call me a wanabe "expert", don't invalidate my original points of argument by restating my original points of argument as your original points

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