Thanks amigo. Thats pretty much what I figured. I've had cards in the past that did not let me play with voltage, or certain sliders, etc. I know the software can only do so much and past that its "problems" with the hardware itself. I just like to confirm theres nothing wrong with my cards when I experiences issues such as those. When its only my card, somethings not right, but when its other peoples cards as well, I know that its just how it is and theres nothing I can do past a point.
I also learned that with this particular model of MSI Twin Frozr, the stock speeds ARE actually lower than the OC version. It SHOULD be 860/1200mhz, so I am no longer worried on that front. It just took me a bit to figure out there existed a separate, distinct, OC version; I thought mine was the OC version all along. Perhaps then the voltage SHOULD be lower, as its perhaps a newer revision or w/e (yes, I know AMD does not have revision #s, but they most definitely release different "revisions", as evidenced by the people who suddenly got 7870s with a new power pin!).
Something interesting: I got voltage to "show" in GPU tweak. It allows me to go all the way up to 1.225V, which is nice considering the stock seems to be 1.075V. That gives me quite a bit of room, although not an insane amount. Still though, GPU Tweak is NOT my favorite program. In fact I find it to be one of the worst along with Trixx (I have had nothing but issues with Sapphires software). My #1 is precision, #2 Riva Tuner, #3 anything else. So, if you are correct and precision/gpu tweak are based around the same, I wonder then if theres a way to get clocks/volts to appear in precision? Interesting stuff.
I wonder then if RivaTuner will let me play with voltages, or if i'll have a similar problem considering MSI AB is based on RT (as far as I know).
Also man another question regarding the patch: You said just drop the files into the AB folder, yes? Two questions regarding that:
1) By files, you mean FILE (singular) right? the only file I got in the patch was an exe that I ran. Should I just be dropping that in? There was no readme and the thread is not very clear. If you are correct, maybe thats why it wasn't helping much!
2) does it matter if the AB folder is located in C:\Program Files\MSI AB etc? Or should I try and make the install directly as C:\MSI AB, right in the C: directory?
And again, thanks for your previous help amigo. If nothing further, you've at least given me some more stuff to figure out before I totally write off voltage control!