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post #21 of 30 (permalink) Old 03-05-2014, 12:55 PM
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always buy the best gpu you can afford, you're gunna get subjective answers asking other people whats good for you. some people make less money then others, some people like buying computer hardware more then others, some people dont play games etc.

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I also like to think that generally the 290X's overclock better than 290s from binning. I'm hoping that the average overclock is around 1130mhz for 290Xs and something like 1080mhz for 290s.

I have no numbers to back this up...im just trying to justify the cost of the 290X's over them tongue.gif

Mine does 1075MHz with a small voltage bump on the stock cooler! Wait till my waterblock arrives! biggrin.gif
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What if price difference between 290X and 290 is $140 ?

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I think what people are forgetting is that the estimates in this thread of 9% more performance are being extremely giving. I've read, and seen benchmarks that show the performance difference between a 290 and 290X is only about 3% more with the extra 300 shaders. For sure, there hasn't been this small of a performance difference in quite a few generations. I've even watched the Valley thread and seen 290X with a lower clock than me getting less fps. The difference in performance between the 7950 and 7970 for example was 8%-15% depending on the application. This generation is much smaller.

It doesn't seem like there's any compelling difference to justify buying a 290X instead of a 290. Additionally, a 290X with a custom cooler will run you about $700 whereas a 290 with a custom cooler is $550-$600. If you're going to spend $700 on a graphics card you could get a custom cooled 780ti which will SMASH 290X performance with a Skynet bios and 1300mhz+. I'm talking about 20-30 more fps than the 290X in Valley. My 290 gets 70 FPS in Valley at 1200mhz, I regularly see 780tis in the Valley thread getting 90+.

If the price difference is $140, it is most certainly not worth it. Get the 290.

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I love my 290 and I'm happy with it and what I paid for it but really, the highest benching cards are easily the 780tis or Titan Blacks.

2880 CUDA cores don't mess around and a single CUDA core is more powerful than a GCN shader (though not by much anymore... anyone remember when the 560ti with 448 CUDA cores performed similarly to a 5870 with 1600 stream processors??)

If you're gonna pay $700 for a card get the 780ti. I'll be straight when I get my second Tri-X 290 in Crossfire and destroy a single 780ti with 128 ROPs. wink.gif

Also, Vapor-X with 8GB VRAM? Why the heck would you ever need that much VRAM? For 1440p Eyefinity?

Most games I play only use about 1.5gb of my current cards 4GB AND THATS AT 5760x1080. I can't imagine why you'd need 8GB ram.

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my prev post was removed because of some not-so-good words for which I apologize if it hurts someone, it was post no 25, here it is:
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Actually, neurotix got a point, if you do spend such a lot of money then why not spend on nVidia.

I personally favor AMD because their CPU/GPU provide best performance at best price, if that was not the case then why go AMD.

R9 290 is the best buy, if you go for the Tri-X version then you can overclock it very well to like 1200MHz on core and some 6.6GHz on memory (even the overclocked memory speed might look less thatn the 7GHz stock of 780Ti, but remember it's a 512-bit 6.6GHz memory vs 384-bit 7GHz of 780Ti) yielding you a whooping 422 GB/s of memory bandwidth and at 1200MHz the 290 easily KO's 780 Ti biggrin.gif

I highly recommend Tri-X.

Something Else: Sapphire is about to launch Vapor-X versions of 290/290X which'll have 8 GB of VRAM, their toxic versions are still yet to announce and MSI's lightning versions have been announced for launch in somewhere this month. No update about ASUS's matrix version of 290/290X, I'm waiting for all these before I throw in some rupees on it, most badly I'm waiting for their beastly Vesuvius
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I love my 290 and I'm happy with it and what I paid for it but really, the highest benching cards are easily the 780tis or Titan Blacks.

2880 CUDA cores don't mess around and a single CUDA core is more powerful than a GCN shader (though not by much anymore... anyone remember when the 560ti with 448 CUDA cores performed similarly to a 5870 with 1600 stream processors??)

If you're gonna pay $700 for a card get the 780ti. I'll be straight when I get my second Tri-X 290 in Crossfire and destroy a single 780ti with 128 ROPs. wink.gif

Also, Vapor-X with 8GB VRAM? Why the heck would you ever need that much VRAM? For 1440p Eyefinity?

Most games I play only use about 1.5gb of my current cards 4GB AND THATS AT 5760x1080. I can't imagine why you'd need 8GB ram.

Exactly what I meant when I said that 780 Ti should be chosen when he can buy it, why?? Because it's the best for gaming, and with latest WHQL drivers their performance has increased.

290 would crush the 780 Ti (non-overclocked of course) when overclocked, at stock I won't even mention the AMD cards against 780Ti or Titan Black.
It's all money. neurotix recommendation about the CFX is also worth consideration for anyone who's thinking of getting a 780 Ti kingpin and may-be watercooling it...and best part, you don't even need a bridge any more for CFX, I like that a lot.

The 8GB will probably for the...yup may-be 1440p/1600p eye-infinity with more than 3 displays and 4k eye-infinity will definitely get advantage of the 8 GB VRAM it will require that much VRAM for frame buffering with lots of AA and other effects at 12k resolution.
If Vesuvius will be in market in 6 months then I may wait for it and use it under water, it'll be the lord of performance which may come with a lot of free games & coupons like the 7990 did.

EDIT: the Vapor-X is just a show-off kinda product for Sapphire, I guess their Toxic, ASUS's matrix and MSI's lightning are more relevant to us (enthusiasts).

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After having a meeting with some AMD directors, I can confirm the next two years are going to be very exciting!!!

I can't release details (NDA)... but their key business partnerships (arm, samsung, global foundries) are going to really innovate the CPU/APU/GPU industry.

Well, I'd rather wait for a new AMD CPU
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For me here in Egypt, Sapphire 290 Tri-X is $504, Sapphire 290X Tri-X is $644 and Gigabyte GTX 780 Ti OC/GHz Windforce 3X is $773. Reference 780 Ti was ~$700 to $720 but it is out of stock right now.

I guess the Sapphire 290 Tri-X for $504 is the best choice then biggrin.gif

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Make sure you have a goooood air flow in order to make GPU run cool, for GPU cooling I guess HAF X and Switch 810 are one of the best cases, there are others but I like these two most.

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The Tri-X / Vapor-X are good but cooling solutions. But the best I've found after 2 month's of non stop review's asking on forums,ect is the Gigabyte 290 OC Edition. It has the best cooling and the best components on the card itself. It also uses better PCB, as it has 2x the copper. The Wind Force 3 is amazing to say the least.

The Tri-X looks pretty cool and if you are into things that light up then it is for you.

But if you want the most solid 290 go with Gigabyte. I have it in Uber mode and I does not pass 74c anyway just wanted to add in if anyone else is looking for a new GPU and does not want to go over 2 months of reviews and all the stuff I did to find the best 290. It also OC's better then the others. Not that you need it.

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I used to be a gpu snob and had/paid for the top of the line gpu's every time.... however this generation... you really arent missing anything by buying a 290 vs a 290x.. everything Ive seen and experienced first hand shows a modest clock for clock advantage of 5-9% at 1080p (wich is actually 1-3 fps) and at 1440p a 12-18% increase (4-9 fps) for the 290x.. now to most sane people that is not worth the extra cash.. if it's worth it to you.. spend away... as per your other question, pertaining to msi and the 290... I personally have one that is a daily user at 1100/[email protected] 1.125v she runs around 78c at 50% fan speed and I've not seen a game yet that can tax her... aside from poorly coded titles.,.. but thats a story for another day!.

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