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Does anybody know if the Vega 64 EK block/s are compatible with an ALL copper loop? I run just straight distilled with no inhibitors because of this, so mixing metals would be bad 😣
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Nice, just grab it if you are looking for an upgrade. Definitely hits all your bases for now and gets you a watercooled card for under 450. That one is an all copper block, you'll be good.

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Quote: Originally Posted by KingUniverse View Post
Does anybody know if the Vega 64 EK block/s are compatible with an ALL copper loop? I run just straight distilled with no inhibitors because of this, so mixing metals would be bad 😣
EK blocks are almost all made of copper so you shouldn't have any issues. They did make a small number of aluminum blocks for the 10 series Nvidia cards, but they were to go with a cheaper all aluminum loop they were selling. I don't think they ever made one like that for vega.

Double check with the seller to be certain though.

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Neither... Vega 56 is what you need.
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i have a [email protected] and the sapphire rx 590 nitro+. i play on a 65" 4k 60hz.............majority of games i play at 2k res high settings......any unreal game runs 75 fps+(dead by daylight, ark, atlas)........apex legends 105 fps......
4k res world of tanks and planetside2 both run 60+fps high settings
i havent ran more games yet but this card for what it does works...i have 2 friends with similar 8350 set ups with 580's and i get better fps then them and they are running at 1080 res. (is the 1080 res causing the bottleneck because i dont see it at 2k or 4k?)
its not a bad card like you guys are saying.........a 56 in some games and 64 in a lot more games will bottleneck a 8350......it why i decided to go with a 590 coming from a r9 380, till i build a new ryzen system in the future


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I'm fairly confident that my 8350 @ 5.1 will have very little impact on the Vega 64. It's hard to stress this CPU at those speeds and with my NB and base OC'd as well, the PCI lanes are even boosted too. Not to mention I have a beast of a board in the 990FX-UD7, and even with a slight bottleneck, an OC'd 64 is still overkill for what I'm shooting for. Looking at the Navi rumors though, I'm wondering if I should just wait for them ..
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Quote: Originally Posted by KingUniverse View Post
I'm fairly confident that my 8350 @ 5.1 will have very little impact on the Vega 64. It's hard to stress this CPU at those speeds and with my NB and base OC'd as well, the PCI lanes are even boosted too. Not to mention I have a beast of a board in the 990FX-UD7, and even with a slight bottleneck, an OC'd 64 is still overkill for what I'm shooting for. Looking at the Navi rumors though, I'm wondering if I should just wait for them ..
Confidence is good, but I speak from experience. My 9590 locked at 5ghz and paired with 16gb ddr3 2400mhz cas10 memory and on a CHV-FZ board bottlenecked my stock 290x, let alone when I had it overclocked. My 4790k let that card stretch it's legs quite a bit more.

At 1080p I wouldn't waste the money past a RX580. Or like you said, wait for Navi and see.

I mean even something like this is a better deal than the 590 and can be oc'ed close enough to it.

https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-VG...ateway&sr=8-13

A bit crazy to pair a > $300 gpu with any FX series cpu at this point unless you are playing at 4k and need all the gpu horsepower you can get. Even then as I've been on 4k since 2014, the 290x I had still performed better at 4k on fairly cpu demanding games with my 4790k over my 9590.

Now I'm not saying using the FX will be unplayable, but we are talking a 7 year old chip at this point that was mediocre at launch as is.

I'm not bashing the FX, I've had three of them and my 8350 is now paired with my 290x in my oculus rig for light VR games. But you have to sometimes step back and look at just how far behind it is these days to spend that kind of money on a gpu that will not see near it's full potential.


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RX 590 is bad. Vega 64 is good.
What makes the 64 better? Same Performance/$, Same (worse) Performance/watts...

In my eyes both are same "good".
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1080p ULTRA for Vega Just look at the attached picture
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Depending on the timeframe on Navi this could turn out to be a terrible investment.


I'd look into the Sapphire Pulse Vega56 <$300 if it has to be an AMD card. It and the RX 570 at <$150 are the only 2 cards really "worth it".
RX Vega 56 has other options if you're watercooling, namely all the reference boards. You'll still need a waterblock so I wouldn't think that the cost is that compelling as it pushes you into RTX 2070 price range (those go for <$490 now). There has been a Sapphire Nitro+ RX Vega 64 going for $420 as well.

RX 590 should only be about $220 at best, it's 10% improvement over RX 580 and the power is through the roof because it has been clocked to its limits.
RX 580 is usually ~ $200 , with RX Vega 56 sales it really isn't as appealing. With each Vega that is sold less than $300 AMD is making essentially nothing or even losing money because HBM2 is pricey. In the past the prior iteration RX480 with 8GB VRAM could be found for $190 already so the pricing hasn't ben really improved due to how bad Turing is at the high end regarding pricing.

RX 570 has been seen for ~$150 or less. It's about 40% Faster than GTX 1050 Ti and the GTX 1060 3GB is a little bit faster (and generally closer to $180) with less VRAM.


If you look at where the performance per dollar stands the RX 570 tops the chart: https://www.techspot.com/review/1799...ega-benchmark/
In order for the Vega 56 to be comparable it needs to be ~$300 , especially when you consider that GTX 1070s used are around $200-250 nowadays.

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