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post #21 of 89 (permalink) Old 03-02-2019, 09:56 AM
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Depending on the timeframe on Navi this could turn out to be a terrible investment.
Yup. I took the risk and bought my V64 @ $399 w/ 3 free games right before we knew what card AMD was dropping. I had my reservations but it played in my favor as the VII is certainly not worth $300 more than my 1600+mhz V64. I also played with the 'wait for navi' approach but the 580/290x were killing me at 4k. Most titles I play they did well enough in but BFV justified it for me.

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If you look at where the performance per dollar stands the RX 570 tops the chart: https://www.techspot.com/review/1799...ega-benchmark/
In order for the Vega 56 to be comparable it needs to be ~$300 , especially when you consider that GTX 1070s used are around $200-250 nowadays.
Going to agree here, the 570 is the real price/performance king out of all brackets at this point. However, if V56 can be found under $300 I'd pick it up in a second. At the same clocks it's near enough identical in the majority of titles with V64.


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Buy a used Vega 56 or 64 off of the forums here, 590/580s are terrible value right now. If you only had that much money for a card then you would be looking at getting a 1660 Ti since AMD has nothing brand new in between $200-300 worth it.

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What makes the 64 better? Same Performance/$, Same (worse) Performance/watts...

In my eyes both are same "good".
The 1660 Ti is a better card for the same amount of money. Personally I think the RX 570 and Vega 56 are the best ones to get on the red side.
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I would imagine your minimum frames will be lower because of the CPU, but you will still enjoy higher max rates from the GPU. I have a 580 and an FX-6300 at 4.4ghz with a 1080P monitor.

You may want to consider VR or that nice 4K monitor into the equation. I'm still crying about the $310 I paid for this RX580.

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Quote: Originally Posted by mirzet1976 View Post
FX 8350 vs TR 2950X + Radeon VII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo1US_MGyi0
Of course the CPU score would be less, it's NOT a threadripper, but the Graphics score was ~300 off, which tells me that no, the 8350 DIDN'T really bottleneck the GPU to an astronomical level.

Also, I skipped some of the video, but would guess this was at STOCK speeds? Mine is running at 5.1GHz, so this isn't apples to apples.
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As blasphemist as this is to me (being in an AMD case) I'm also considering an RTX 2070. I've found some for around $469, which is RIGHT about the price of the water cooled Vega 64 or even a brand new Vega 64.

While the watercooled 64 will overclock beautifully, and no doubt have one up on the 2070 in FPS, I'm also not shooting for 144 FPS or even Ultra 4K (I have a liquid cooled RTX 2080 ti upstairs on my OLED for that). I feel like from what I've seen, the 2070 will kill any 1080p game on Ultra above 60 FPS, and will ALSO allow me to have Ray Tracing enabled, with Ultra settings, and still be above my 60 FPS target. Also, when I had my dual 380x cards in here, there was a 1050 in the third PCIe slot for PhysX, which having an Nvidia card will cover, as well as hairworks, and 3DTV Play/3D Vision as I also have a 3D TV connected to this PC.

Any objections, other than having a team green card in my AMD themed case?

I see the 2070 as the clear winner here.
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Of course the CPU score would be less, it's NOT a threadripper, but the Graphics score was ~300 off, which tells me that no, the 8350 DIDN'T really bottleneck the GPU to an astronomical level.

Also, I skipped some of the video, but would guess this was at STOCK speeds? Mine is running at 5.1GHz, so this isn't apples to apples.
Firstly that was mainly a GPU benchmark you were talking about. It scores the CPU and GPU separately. If a CPU is bad enough to effect the GPUs graphics score...that's really bad.
Secondly Threadripper isn't even a great option for gaming or for that sort of benchmark.
Thirdly I'd say the takaway from that video had nothing to do with the benchmarks but with the games where there are 15-20fps minimums.

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Of course the CPU score would be less, it's NOT a threadripper, but the Graphics score was ~300 off, which tells me that no, the 8350 DIDN'T really bottleneck the GPU to an astronomical level.

Also, I skipped some of the video, but would guess this was at STOCK speeds? Mine is running at 5.1GHz, so this isn't apples to apples.

Synthetics don't tell you the whole picture by any means, not to mention, a TR is not the right choice for gaming.

EDIT: And, yes, I have already seen the video. It's still going to bottleneck, ESPECIALLY if you game below 1440p.

An FX processor will bottleneck most modern graphics cards, even if the cores are being utilized in today's titles. This is just factual, it's wasteful to buy a new graphics card at this point with such an outdated platform that was behind on release.

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Synthetics don't tell you the whole picture by any means, not to mention, a TR is not the right choice for gaming.

EDIT: And, yes, I have already seen the video. It's still going to bottleneck, ESPECIALLY if you game below 1440p.

An FX processor will bottleneck most modern graphics cards, even if the cores are being utilized in today's titles. This is just factual, it's wasteful to buy a new graphics card at this point with such an outdated platform that was behind on release.



Hopefully this helps to explain why I'm not worried about an "FX bottleneck" with mine at 5.1

The second video shows a 9590 O/Cd to 5GHz, which is just slightly behind a stock R7 2700x in performance.

The third video shows a comparison of i7s, one of which is the 4770k, which I beat in Cinebench, and it's holding it's own against the 7700 and 8700.

With the NB and HT link overclocked as well, I REALLY don't see an issue. If I was running stock, then certainly, I would be hesitant of a huge CPU bottleneck on a modern card, but I know what my baby is capable of when she's opened up like she is.
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