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Here's another one showing an FX at 5.1, and it's keep par with a 7740x
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Quote: Originally Posted by KingUniverse View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBWWajezS-k&t=716s

Here's another one showing an FX at 5.1, and it's keep par with a 7740x
In the same video
"...a 1070 would probably be too much for this CPU."

The way the performance was quantified was kinda weird, why wouldn't you use the same counter for both comparisons?

And that was done with a Fury card. Nothing against the Fury but 1080p Ultra could definitely bog it down enough to somewhat mask a slower CPU. I don't think any of the i7s threads went over 50% for the entire test suite.

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Quote: Originally Posted by KingUniverse View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F42rpYzlQvY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPtg3pJRH4M&t=113s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsvbWJFSa94

Hopefully this helps to explain why I'm not worried about an "FX bottleneck" with mine at 5.1

The second video shows a 9590 O/Cd to 5GHz, which is just slightly behind a stock R7 2700x in performance.

The third video shows a comparison of i7s, one of which is the 4770k, which I beat in Cinebench, and it's holding it's own against the 7700 and 8700.

With the NB and HT link overclocked as well, I REALLY don't see an issue. If I was running stock, then certainly, I would be hesitant of a huge CPU bottleneck on a modern card, but I know what my baby is capable of when she's opened up like she is.
I guess we have quite a different idea of what bottlenecks are. Because in the actually gaming benchmark video you posted I'm seeing differences of 40-50fps in a lot of those charts. All I'm saying is, let's say for example you threw in the gtx1080 like the video you posted. Well in reality paired with a 5ghz FX, it's like paying for a gtx1080 but getting gtx1070 performance if not worse. This is being stressed so much bc you are playing at 1080p. Which is why again I couldn't personally see pairing anything faster than a RX580 with a FX at that res.

And cinebench and those other synthetics have no bearing on real world gaming. No amount of NB and HT link oc'ing is going to make up for this.

Again, not saying it will be unplayable, just trying to keep expectations in check and save you money. There is a reason I swapped my 9590 for a 4790k after going from 8120 > 8350 > 9590.


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Quote: Originally Posted by SoloCamo View Post
I guess we have quite a different idea of what bottlenecks are. Because in the actually gaming benchmark video you posted I'm seeing differences of 40-50fps in a lot of those charts. All I'm saying is, let's say for example you threw in the gtx1080 like the video you posted. Well in reality paired with a 5ghz FX, it's like paying for a gtx1080 but getting gtx1070 performance if not worse. This is being stressed so much bc you are playing at 1080p. Which is why again I couldn't personally see pairing anything faster than a RX580 with a FX at that res.

And cinebench and those other synthetics have no bearing on real world gaming. No amount of NB and HT link oc'ing is going to make up for this.

Again, not saying it will be unplayable, just trying to keep expectations in check and save you money. There is a reason I swapped my 9590 for a 4790k after going from 8120 > 8350 > 9590.
It's not even really about the money (I'm set on spending about $400 + Water Block) it's just about ensuring I can slide everything to the right and max it out and still have 60FPS. If an RX 590 could guarantee that, I would have bought one 3 days ago, but I've seen a few games in benchmarks/YouTube videos drop into the 50s on a 590, and I'm REALLY OCD about that (Plus there's NO waterblocks for 590s). On the other hand, I've thought about finding the best card to pair with this 8350, and just "finishing" this build and leaving it as is for the rest of time, no upgrades, leave the "final" GPU in there, and retire it when I can't play games on it anymore. I dunno. These are all my mental dilemmas. Is a 590 as far as this CPU will handle without a bottleneck? Should I go for the $420 waterblocked Vega 64 or will that bottleneck too? I'm REALLY leaning towards an RTX 2070, but this is an AMD build, so it feels dirty. I'm just still so conflicted. Pop in a cheap 590 and call it a day? Find a cheap 580 and waterblock and O/C the piss out of it? Ugh.
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I have a 4790k with an RTX 2080 ti on an HDR, 4K OLED upstairs, so I guess I can get my ray tracing, PhysX, Hairworks fix on that if worse comes to worse.

I have a 3D TV and a 4K TV down here (along with a decent 1080p IPS panel) hooked up to this rig, another reason why I wanted an RTX 2070, for 3DTV Play (and decent ray tracing at 1080), but I could get a 1660ti and accomplish the same thing (minus the RT). I need a tough push in one direction or the other, because I can't for the life of me decide.

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You're just trying to justify this outdated CPU at a resolution where you're gonna feel it. I don't understand the point to this thread.

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Quote: Originally Posted by BTViolence View Post
You're just trying to justify this outdated CPU at a resolution where you're gonna feel it. I don't understand the point to this thread.
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I need public opinion on what GPU to buy

RX 590

Waterblocked Vega 64

RTX 2070

GTX 1660 ti



I don't need 144 FPS. I have a 60hz 1080p panel. I also have a 4K TV and 3D TV hooked up to it. I saw the 590 didn't really hit 60FPS on everything on Ultra, so this is where I started looking elsewhere, or I would have already bought a 590. I don't need EVERY FPS per dollar, I NEED 60FPS ON ULTRA ON ANYTHING I PLAY. I don't care if I spend $600 and end up getting 75FPS when I could be getting 120FPS with an i9-9900k. I JUST WANT 60FPS at 1080p ON ULTRA, ON ANY CURRENT AND FUTURE GAME (at least for awhile)

My priorities:

1. 60FPS at 1080p on Ultra

Anything else, 4K, 3D Vision, PhysX, Dropped frames, Bottlenecked CPU, Wasting money, is SECONDARY to my final goal. I am throwing a water block on whatever I end up getting, whether I overclock it or not, so again, I'm NOT trying to penny pinch or get EVERY frame per dollar.

Hopefully that cleared this up.

If I can get 60FPS at 1080p with Ray Tracing on Low with an RTX 2070, I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT. I don't understand how this turned into hostility towards my platform, a misunderstanding of what I wanted, and me necessitating repeating myself and defending my secondary, kitchen/office light gaming PC. This isn't my main gaming rig, and I'm not upgrading it, except for the GPU. NO OTHER MOTHERBOARD OR CPU WILL EVER GO INTO THIS PC. So thanks for pointing out the obvious, that this 6 year old CPU is showing it's age, but that's not what I'm asking.
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Buy the fastest card (RTX 2070) or buy the next fastest that is also cheaper (GTX 1660Ti).

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Buy the fastest card (RTX 2070) or buy the next fastest that is also cheaper (GTX 1660Ti).
That's what I was REALLY leaning towards. When I ran my Crossfire 380xs in here, I also had a GTX 1050 in the third PCIe as a dedicated PhysX card. With a 2070 I'll get PhysX, Hairworks, 3D Vision, and Ray Tracing all in one package.. I've already got a 2070 and a waterblock in my carts I'm just waiting to pull the trigger because I'm a SUPER indecisive individual. Your definitive one liner may be the push I needed. Ordering now
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I ended up ordering this:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814487413


with this:

https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cool...force-rtx-2070



Thanks everybody for your help! Anyone else, keep the negativity to yourself
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