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I don't need 144 FPS. I have a 60hz 1080p panel. I also have a 4K TV and 3D TV hooked up to it. I saw the 590 didn't really hit 60FPS on everything on Ultra, so this is where I started looking elsewhere, or I would have already bought a 590. I don't need EVERY FPS per dollar, I NEED 60FPS ON ULTRA ON ANYTHING I PLAY. I don't care if I spend $600 and end up getting 75FPS when I could be getting 120FPS with an i9-9900k. I JUST WANT 60FPS at 1080p ON ULTRA, ON ANY CURRENT AND FUTURE GAME (at least for awhile)
That is impossible. Plenty of current games at 1080p already have the FX below 60fps.

But hey, you wasted $620 on a $80 cpu to get the performance of a $200 gpu. Your choice.

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You're just trying to justify this outdated CPU at a resolution where you're gonna feel it. I don't understand the point to this thread.
At first, I thought it was just trolling but now I completely agree.

The dude claims to have this mega setup (2080ti, etc.) but won't get a half decent cpu/mobo for 1080p/60? Spends $620 for a gpu and waterblock? Comeon now I smell some BS or ignorance at it's finest. At $620 why wouldn't you just get a 2080 if your FX isn't a problem.

NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE.


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Thanks everybody for your help! Anyone else, keep the negativity to yourself
We're more performance oriented than positivity oriented tbh.
You opened the can of worms yourself.
Also not a single negative thing has been said, we've merely pointed out that it's a slow CPU and pointed out why the videos make it seem better than it is. You could make it look almost as fast as a 9900k if you used a Fury or a 970 at 4k lol

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I went Vega 64 from an RX 580. I put it under water after *much* deliberating about the fan noise and my frustration with not being able to OC much at all.

My results are here: https://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=2....&cpuName=Intel Core i5-8400 Processor&gpuName=AMD Radeon RX Vega 64&gpuCount=1

I have 9 out of the top 10 scores in the world on 3DMark TimeSpy for my CPU/GPU. I did not do anything insane other than regular OC tweaking. I have the GPU and CPU underwater with Alphacool AIOs (Eisbaer 280 on CPU and Eiswolf 120 on GPU).

HOWEVER, this is my personal preference over the competition at this price range which was used mining 1080/1080ti's (I'm NEVER going to spend more than $200+ for a USED card) and *most importantly* the only game series that I play (BF:V).

My suggestion: look at reviews/benchmarks ONLY of the specific games you would like to play and make your decision on the card and remember that a performance increase of 10-20% over your current setup is not going to "WOW" you after installation.
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That is impossible. Plenty of current games at 1080p already have the FX below 60fps.

But hey, you wasted $620 on a $80 cpu to get the performance of a $200 gpu. Your choice.



At first, I thought it was just trolling but now I completely agree.

The dude claims to have this mega setup (2080ti, etc.) but won't get a half decent cpu/mobo for 1080p/60? Spends $620 for a gpu and waterblock? Comeon now I smell some BS or ignorance at it's finest. At $620 why wouldn't you just get a 2080 if your FX isn't a problem.

NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE.

Asks for advice...doesn't heed advice and decides to spend $620+...


I mean I've seen a 2070 bottlenecked by an i5 7600 (at 1080p)...what a waste of money.

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Wah. I've already stated I have several setups, this isn't my main rig, money isn't an issue, and I'm happy with my decision.

I upgraded dual 380Xs to a 2070 and dual 390s to a 2080ti (The $1500 FTW3 hybrid, which should be another indication that money isn't an issue). I wasn't going to settle on an RX580 just because forum trolls tell me I'm not going to get 350+ FPS because my CPU is 6 years old. I've already said I have a 4K and 3D TV on this rig, 2070 does Ray Tracing decently, has 3D Vision, and will perform fine when I want to play light 4K games in my dining room. The 2070 checks all the boxes. If I wasted $300 for 300 lost frames per second, SO WHAT. I'LL BE GUARANTEED MY 1080P AT 60FPS ON ULTRA. That's all I wanted.

Near the end I was stuck between a USED Vega 64 with a waterblock for $420, or a brand new 2070 for $469 +$145 for the waterblock.

Then I realized I wanted a warranty, I wanted 3D Vision, I wanted PhysX, and I wanted Ray Tracing, so I got a 2070. Could I have gotten a 2060, saved $200 and still gotten the same bottlenecked performance? Sure. Do they make waterblocks for 2060s? Nope. Am I an overachiever at the expense of my wallet? Yes. Will I get 1080p, 60 FPS on Ultra. Yup.
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Wah. I've already stated I have several setups, this isn't my main rig, money isn't an issue, and I'm happy with my decision.

I upgraded dual 380Xs to a 2070 and dual 390s to a 2080ti (The $1500 FTW3 hybrid, which should be another indication that money isn't an issue). I wasn't going to settle on an RX580 just because forum trolls tell me I'm not going to get 350+ FPS because my CPU is 6 years old. I've already said I have a 4K and 3D TV on this rig, 2070 does Ray Tracing decently, has 3D Vision, and will perform fine when I want to play light 4K games in my dining room. The 2070 checks all the boxes. If I wasted $300 for 300 lost frames per second, SO WHAT. I'LL BE GUARANTEED MY 1080P AT 60FPS ON ULTRA. That's all I wanted.

Near the end I was stuck between a USED Vega 64 with a waterblock for $420, or a brand new 2070 for $469 +$145 for the waterblock.

Then I realized I wanted a warranty, I wanted 3D Vision, I wanted PhysX, and I wanted Ray Tracing, so I got a 2070. Could I have gotten a 2060, saved $200 and still gotten the same bottlenecked performance? Sure. Do they make waterblocks for 2060s? Nope. Am I an overachiever at the expense of my wallet? Yes. Will I get 1080p, 60 FPS on Ultra. Yup.

Maybe you should have titled your thread "RTX 2060 or RTX 2070 for 1080P". Might have been less misunderstanding.

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Maybe you should have titled your thread "RTX 2060 or RTX 2070 for 1080P". Might have been less misunderstanding.

The title was appropriate at the time of originally posting

My mental timeline the past three days:

Resident Evil 2 won't play at Ultra with my 380Xs, time to upgrade
I have a badass AMD case, I HAVE to get an AMD card to upgrade my 380Xs

I want an RX590!
Realizes it's a twice overclocked 480 which doesn't leave room for ME to overclock it
It doesn't do 60FPS in EVERY game on Ultra AND I can't find a waterblock for it

I want a Vega 64!
There's a used one for $420 with a waterblock pre-installed!
No warranty, Navi is coming in July, and it doesn't have PhysX or Hairworks or 3D Vision, which means the good old 1050 will have to go back in

How bad would JUST an Nvidia card be in an AMD rig? You couldn't. You wouldn't.
1660ti just came out at a good price, no Ray Tracing though
Those Ray Tracing demos look mighty fine
What about a 2060
No waterblock
2070?
It has the power to hit 60FPS, 1080p, on Ultra
IT HAS A WATERBLOCK

SOLD

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Wah. I've already stated I have several setups, this isn't my main rig, money isn't an issue, and I'm happy with my decision.

I upgraded dual 380Xs to a 2070 and dual 390s to a 2080ti (The $1500 FTW3 hybrid, which should be another indication that money isn't an issue). I wasn't going to settle on an RX580 just because forum trolls tell me I'm not going to get 350+ FPS because my CPU is 6 years old. I've already said I have a 4K and 3D TV on this rig, 2070 does Ray Tracing decently, has 3D Vision, and will perform fine when I want to play light 4K games in my dining room. The 2070 checks all the boxes. If I wasted $300 for 300 lost frames per second, SO WHAT. I'LL BE GUARANTEED MY 1080P AT 60FPS ON ULTRA. That's all I wanted.

Near the end I was stuck between a USED Vega 64 with a waterblock for $420, or a brand new 2070 for $469 +$145 for the waterblock.

Then I realized I wanted a warranty, I wanted 3D Vision, I wanted PhysX, and I wanted Ray Tracing, so I got a 2070. Could I have gotten a 2060, saved $200 and still gotten the same bottlenecked performance? Sure. Do they make waterblocks for 2060s? Nope. Am I an overachiever at the expense of my wallet? Yes. Will I get 1080p, 60 FPS on Ultra. Yup.
A bit rude to call people trolls when they are legitimately trying to help you make a decision that suits your requirements. That said, you are not going to get locked 60fps on Ultra at 1080p on all games existing and as you said, in the near future. The 2070 even paired with leagues better cpu's will still fall below 60fps in some titles at maxed out settings.

An overachiever actually achieves something, they don't just throw money at things. The only thing you've achieved with this decision is going to be the reality that your 60fps Ultra goal is not going to happen with this setup. The fact that you've had to point out money isn't an issue makes no sense to me. If money was not an issue, why are you wasting your time on a 6 year old CPU that will not do what you want? Also, at the price you are paying for a waterblocked 2070 you can spend a bit more and actually get decent performance with a 2080.

Again, none of these decisions make any sense and your expectations are way out in space. If you are so concerned about that AMD case you would have been better off just picking up a Ryzen cpu/mobo combo to actually do the gpu any sort of justice.

I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but I've had the 9590 at 5ghz paired with cas10 2400mhz memory. It dipped below 60fps many times for me in games and it was not a gpu bottleneck. No amount of HT/NB overclocking is going to overcome that big of a deficit.

Edit: Wait, you have a spare GTX1080 and you just bought a 2070.

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A bit rude to call people trolls when they are legitimately trying to help you make a decision that suits your requirements. That said, you are not going to get locked 60fps on Ultra at 1080p on all games existing and as you said, in the near future. The 2070 even paired with leagues better cpu's will still fall below 60fps in some titles at maxed out settings.

An overachiever actually achieves something, they don't just throw money at things. The only thing you've achieved with this decision is going to be the reality that your 60fps Ultra goal is not going to happen with this setup. The fact that you've had to point out money isn't an issue makes no sense to me. If money was not an issue, why are you wasting your time on a 6 year old CPU that will not do what you want? Also, at the price you are paying for a waterblocked 2070 you can spend a bit more and actually get decent performance with a 2080.

Again, none of these decisions make any sense and your expectations are way out in space.

If I beat a 4770k in benchmarks, I'm pretty sure I'll be okay with a 2070.

I would LOVE to see where you saw a 2070 fall below 60 in ANY game on Ultra 1080

Did I achieve nothing? If I can play Resident Evil 2 REMAKE on Ultra at 1080p while the wife makes dinner, it would make the $600 all worth it. The 380s were getting old and outdated anyway, and needed an upgrade.
I wasted money when I waterblocked my 380Xs too, they're not even O/Cable, I did it for noise and just because I have a cool waterloop.

I may end up just using this 2070 for now, until I retire this AMD rig, and slap a Navi or RX in there and give it to one of the kids.

We'll see what kind of numbers I'm getting, and if it's a bottlenecked mess that doesn't hit 60 in EVERYTHING at 1080 Ultra, I'll upgrade to Ryzen, but I don't see that happening.
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A bit rude to call people trolls when they are legitimately trying to help you make a decision that suits your requirements. That said, you are not going to get locked 60fps on Ultra at 1080p on all games existing and as you said, in the near future. The 2070 even paired with leagues better cpu's will still fall below 60fps in some titles at maxed out settings.

An overachiever actually achieves something, they don't just throw money at things. The only thing you've achieved with this decision is going to be the reality that your 60fps Ultra goal is not going to happen with this setup. The fact that you've had to point out money isn't an issue makes no sense to me. If money was not an issue, why are you wasting your time on a 6 year old CPU that will not do what you want? Also, at the price you are paying for a waterblocked 2070 you can spend a bit more and actually get decent performance with a 2080.

Again, none of these decisions make any sense and your expectations are way out in space. If you are so concerned about that AMD case you would have been better off just picking up a Ryzen cpu/mobo combo to actually do the gpu any sort of justice.

I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but I've had the 9590 at 5ghz paired with cas10 2400mhz memory. It dipped below 60fps many times for me in games and it was not a gpu bottleneck. No amount of HT/NB overclocking is going to overcome that big of a deficit.

Edit: Wait, you have a spare GTX1080 and you just bought a 2070.

This is grade A crazy.

Where did you see anything about me having a GTX 1080? Anything I say that says 1080 in it is referring to 1080p resolution, not the card.


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