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post #71 of 89 (permalink) Old 03-05-2019, 11:18 PM
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I honestly WANTED to find an AMD card I loved and made sense. It's literally an AMD branded case, red and black with the AMD logo on the front and HUGE on the side panel.

After weighing all my options, nothing from AMD felt right. I don't even think buying a Radeon VII would have made me feel good about that card. While I love AMD and always have since the days of 2300+ competing with Pentiums, I just don't think AMD's cards are even competitively priced anymore. Lack of features, poor performance, HUGE power draws, and all for around the same price as an RTX card? AMD isn't even the "budget" brand anymore.

I'm coming from dual 380xs and dual 390s, and EVERYTHING before that were AMD cards. The last Nvidia card I bought was a Geforce 5200! Back in like 2003. Every year it's the same thing, I hold out hopes for a card that will finally stick it to Nvidia, and it never happens.

We get a twice overclocked 480 and power hungry disappointment twin Vegas that can't even compete with the lowest card in Nvidia's RTX lineup, and they're all the same price!

Ray Tracing, Hairworks, PhysX, DLSS, better performance, less power draw. It just made sense for $40 more. When I ran my dual 390s, I had to buy a 1300w PSU just to power my system. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. Until AMD starts throwing some punches, I'm out and using Team Green.

i get it man trust me.. just cant find myself to support intel and nvidia.. they bend people over left and right.. i think $1000 was a steal for two 64 lc's.. thats tax and shipping included lol.
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umm when you have an fx 8350 there is such thing as overkill lol.. being bottle necked is not fun.. and have you not seen the live demo of them beating the 9900k? they already beat intel on a production sample.. you really dont think the final run chips will be any better? lol.. i agree on not getting into the hype.. but things are looking pretty promising for team red!!
All they showed was a third gen Ryzen chip with the same cores/threads beating a 9900k @ Cinebench by 17 something points. Of course at 7nm would use less power than a 14nm part by 45w less.

2040 vs 2057

At stock 2700x uses 105w when running Prime95. Somehow a 7nm chip is matching a 9900k performance while using 30 more watts than their previous chip? Clearly the processor is running at a higher frequency than the 2700x if it's using more power. They're most likely going to ship it with a 135w TDP with high frequencies meaning it can't overclock. Seems like Zen may have already reached its IPC limits. With Ocean Cove around the corner Zen might be trouble.

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All they showed was a third gen Ryzen chip with the same cores/threads beating a 9900k @ Cinebench by 17 something points. Of course at 7nm would use less power than a 14nm part by 45w less.

2040 vs 2057

At stock 2700x uses 105w when running Prime95. Somehow a 7nm chip is matching a 9900k performance while using 30 more watts than their previous chip? Clearly the processor is running at a higher frequency than the 2700x if it's using more power. They're most likely going to ship it with a 135w TDP with high frequencies meaning it can't overclock. Seems like Zen may have already reached its IPC limits. With Ocean Cove around the corner Zen might be trouble.

maybe, maybe not.. ryzen never has been a crazy good overclocker.. but bang for your buck cant really beat it, and amd has come a long way.. im excited to see how ryzen 4 will be once the 7nm process has matured a bit.. not saying AMD is going to be top dog like intel has been for a while now.. but they will compete and for half the price which is pretty cool in my opinion.. we shall see in a few months lol
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He's on a tech forum, the RTX 2070 is the better card and he gets a warranty.
The Vega he was looking at was new and had a warranty. I paid $399 for my V64 w/ 3 games. Th 2070 is a beefed up 1080, V64 is in the same league where they trade blows depending on res and game. So as always, base your decisions off the games you play. Which is why despite the lower price I paid, the V64 offered me better overall performance in the titles I was looking at.

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There is no such thing as over kill. And I’ll believe Ryzen 3000 is so great when I see real proof I can trust.
Sure, let me go pair a 2080ti with my g3258 I've got sitting here. Sure won't be overkill at all.


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umm when you have an fx 8350 there is such thing as overkill lol.. being bottle necked is not fun.. and have you not seen the live demo of them beating the 9900k? they already beat intel on a production sample.. you really dont think the final run chips will be any better? lol.. i agree on not getting into the hype.. but things are looking pretty promising for team red!!
I threw in a 750ti into my gf's quite old rig A10-5800k, 8gb ddr3 2133mhz. Tried to fire up BFV and no matter how low the res went the frames did not really change I'm talking sub 30's at almost all times on the absolute lowest settings. Bulldozer based 'quad' at 4.2ghz paired with fast memory couldn't even handle a 750ti.

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We get a twice overclocked 480 and power hungry disappointment twin Vegas that can't even compete with the lowest card in Nvidia's RTX lineup, and they're all the same price!
V64 has no problem competing and/or beating a 2060. Plus the extra vram is always nice. $350 2060 or $399 V64 w/ 3 free games. Choice was clear.


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The Vega he was looking at was new and had a warranty. I paid $399 for my V64 w/ 3 games. Th 2070 is a beefed up 1080, V64 is in the same league where they trade blows depending on res and game. So as always, base your decisions off the games you play. Which is why despite the lower price I paid, the V64 offered me better overall performance in the titles I was looking at.
He was looking at purchasing my RX Vega 64 LC with an EK waterblock for $420 not the no longer sold Sapphire RX Vega 64 air for $399. I've owned a Vega 64 since release. It's not a beefed up 1080, the GTX 1080 still beats the Vega 64 on most titles and uses much less power.
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He was looking at purchasing my RX Vega 64 LC with an EK waterblock for $420 not the no longer sold Sapphire RX Vega 64 air for $399. I've owned a Vega 64 since release. It's not a beefed up 1080, the GTX 1080 still beats the Vega 64 on most titles and uses much less power.
Please read what I posted. I clearly said the 2070 is a beefed up 1080, not that a V64 was a beefed up 1080.

Secondly typically the 2070 is $500 or more with the current lowest prices I'm seeing at $490. The V64 is competitive with the 2070 despite what you want to believe.

Thirdly, please get off the power consumption. No one buying either of these cards outside of extremely niche use cases cares about it.


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Please read what I posted. I clearly said the 2070 is a beefed up 1080, not that a V64 was a beefed up 1080.

Secondly typically the 2070 is $500 or more with the current lowest prices I'm seeing at $490. The V64 is competitive with the 2070 despite what you want to believe.

Thirdly, please get off the power consumption. No one buying either of these cards outside of extremely niche use cases cares about it.
My mistake I did miss read the card you mentioned was beefed up. The RTX 2070 isn't a beefed up GTX 1080 it's a Turing card with Tensor cores and RT cores. Radeon VII is obviously a beefed up Vega 64.

Power consumption generates heat which requires more cooling which also requires more fans which causes a louder system. So yes everyone should care about power consumption especially when it's double the power consumption which the Vega 64 LC is compared to a GTX 1080/RTX 2070. He can buy a RTX 2070 MSI Ventus for $494.99 off of BHPhoto which will run extremely quiet compared to any Vega card and wouldn't need a waterblock. If he buys a Vega 64 Air for $399.99 the fan will be obnoxious since it runs around 56 dB, while any of the third party RTX 2070 cards are around 35 dB.

The MSI RTX 2070 Ventus is a perfect card from BHPhoto for $494.99 since he would get a waterblock if he purchased a RX Vega 64.

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My mistake I did miss read the card you mentioned was beefed up. The RTX 2070 isn't a beefed up GTX 1080 it's a Turing card with Tensor cores and RT cores. Radeon VII is obviously a beefed up Vega 64.

Power consumption generates heat which requires more cooling which also requires more fans which causes a louder system. So yes everyone should care about power consumption especially when it's double the power consumption which the Vega 64 LC is compared to a GTX 1080/RTX 2070. He can buy a RTX 2070 MSI Ventus for $494.99 off of BHPhoto which will run extremely quiet compared to any Vega card and wouldn't need a waterblock. If he buys a Vega 64 Air for $399.99 the fan will be obnoxious since it runs around 56 dB, while any of the third party RTX 2070 cards are around 35 dB.

The MSI RTX 2070 Ventus is a perfect card from BHPhoto for $494.99 since he would get a waterblock if he purchased a RX Vega 64.

Well, there is also the fact that a V64 can be had for $400 vs $500 for a 2070...that's 20% cheaper for a card that has a high potential. It's not a card that's for everyone but does compete with the 2070 if you are willing to work for it. Even an aggressively clocked V56 gets in sparring range of a 2070.



Power is of course the side effect of making a $300 or $400 card get up to $500 performance. However, for people like me, I don't pay any more or less if I use no power or have a consistent draw of 600w. It's not the case for everyone but just a thought.

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[Well, there is also the fact that a V64 can be had for $400 vs $500 for a 2070...that's 20% cheaper for a card that has a high potential. It's not a card that's for everyone but does compete with the 2070 if you are willing to work for it. Even an aggressively clocked V56 gets in sparring range of a 2070.



Power is of course the side effect of making a $300 or $400 card get up to $500 performance. However, for people like me, I don't pay any more or less if I use no power or have a consistent draw of 600w. It's not the case for everyone but just a thought.
A $400 Vega 64 is a bargain but if he doesn't want the heat/noise which it sounds like it's going to cost at least $500 for a new Vega 64 + waterblock. Why bother paying that much when a RTX 2070 uses 175w, is quicker and has more features.

All the cheap new Vega 64s are sold out. I don't care for the cost of power. I only care about the heat that 300-365w generates and the cost of cooling required to make it bearable. Which isn't worth it at this point. A RTX 2060 is on average 7% faster than a Vega 56.

Vega is a semi-custom design for Apple. It's great for content creators. If you're purely gaming get something practical like a Turing card.

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A $400 Vega 64 is a bargain but if he doesn't want the heat/noise which it sounds like it's going to cost at least $500 for a new Vega 64 + waterblock. Why bother paying that much when a RTX 2070 uses 175w, is quicker and has more features.

All the cheap new Vega 64s are sold out. I don't care for the cost of power. I only care about the heat that 300-365w generates and the cost of cooling required to make it bearable. Which isn't worth it at this point. A RTX 2060 is on average 7% faster than a Vega 56.

Vega is a semi-custom design for Apple. It's great for content creators. If you're purely gaming get something practical like a Turing card.

I agree.


Ultimately, it didn't matter if he picked a V64 or a 2070, it will be bottlenecked by the FX chip as he will see.

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