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post #11 of 52 (permalink) Old 12-15-2019, 07:32 AM - Thread Starter
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Quote: Originally Posted by SoloCamo View Post
Stay away from reference cards unless you plan to watercool or use headphones and ramp the fan speed up.

I've had good luck with XFX but last card I used from them was a 7970Ghz Edition. Reviews were pretty mediocre for the card but I got lucky and it was rock solid and overclocked past the average card across all brands. I've been using Sapphire and Powercolor since. Come to think of it, I really haven't had issue with any of them so like always YMMV.

If you plan to flash, can't go wrong with a 5700 at $299.99. Keep in mind as well, now that AMD is off the GCN architecture (Vega 56/64 and Radeon 7 are the last cards on it) RDNA is the focus and 5700 and newer cards will pull away more year after year simply due to driver focus. The whole 'amd finewine' thing lasted so long because GCN was used on so many products so older models continued to get optimizations. RDNA will be like this so at this point in time, even as an oc'ed Vega64 owner I can't really recommend the cards unless you get an absolutely awesome deal.
I had to warranty 2 xfx cards over the years and they were simply great to work with. With my Polaris cards they were also always the coolest, quietest and best overclocking cards (went through a bunch of them buying and selling old mining cards as I worked my way up to a 580)

This has been another point bouncing around my head. Seeing as the next gen consoles will be using Navi it means it will basically be with us for the next decade in some form or another.

So it kind of figures that it will hold up well over the long run. Just a big investment up front.

If I got a vega 56 the left over money would almost allow me to get a 1440p monitor if I sold my current one, but then I don't have enough power to really run it properly. Sadly short of something breaking, my computer budget is basically drained for the foreseeable future. Basically the last $300 I have to spend on it lol.

If anyone spots a great deal on a Vega 56, I would love a heads up. Figure I will stalk them for the time being and if I find something it was meant to happen, if not then I was meant to get the 5700.

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I have both reference 5700 and the XT. Without looking at the fps, i don't see any difference in gaming between these two. Two other gamers in the house did not even know i swapped them out and they, too, noticed nothing. The 5700 runs quieter and cooler especially undervolted. Well, i undervolt both. It consumes less power than my R9 290s.

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I have both reference 5700 and the XT. Without looking at the fps, i don't see any difference in gaming between these two. Two other gamers in the house did not even know i swapped them out and they, too, noticed nothing. The 5700 runs quieter and cooler especially undervolted. Well, i undervolt both. It consumes less power than my R9 290s.
Yeah, That is kind of what I gathered based on reviews good to have confirmation though. This is why I aimed for the 5700 and not the XT, just didn't seem worth the extra cost unless there was a screaming deal on the XT.

How is the noise level on the reference card once undervolted? In the past I never had major issues with the sound from reference cards unless running stress tests and overclocked hard.

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Yeah, That is kind of what I gathered based on reviews good to have confirmation though. This is why I aimed for the 5700 and not the XT, just didn't seem worth the extra cost unless there was a screaming deal on the XT.

How is the noise level on the reference card once undervolted? In the past I never had major issues with the sound from reference cards unless running stress tests and overclocked hard.
I can hear my XT but my 5700, not much. The noise is not annoying like the reference HD 7900 or R9 290. The stock fan speed tops out at 39% for the 57, thus tolerable. You undervolt to maintain temp below 90c on the hot spot depending on the ambient. The XT tops out at 42% and can be heard but my desktops are right by my ear. Less than 2 ft.

Coming from the 580, you'll feel the difference going with the 5700. If you have a Vega 56, it may not be worth it even with the XT.

At idle when you are just working or browsing they are both silent. You will hear your case fans for sure or your HDD if you still use one of those.

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The reference cooler does not have a silent fan mode when idle? I forgot about that but think I read about someone flashing an AIB bios that enabled the feature?

My computer is basically silent when idle due to how I have all the fan curves setup, really like that feature.

Hmm, also makes me think about the vega 56 since they are basically all reference coolers.

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The reference cooler does not have a silent fan mode when idle? I forgot about that but think I read about someone flashing an AIB bios that enabled the feature?

My computer is basically silent when idle due to how I have all the fan curves setup, really like that feature.

Hmm, also makes me think about the vega 56 since they are basically all reference coolers.
From 580 to Vega 56 may not be worth it. The Vega 64 prolly. The reference fan is running all the time. About 23% at idle and you will not hear it.
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The AIBs, tho, are getting cheaper. You should find one with triple fan for 300$ for the 5700.

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From 580 to Vega 56 may not be worth it. The Vega 64 prolly. The reference fan is running all the time. About 23% at idle and you will not hear it.
Yeah, only reason I am upgrading is because my 580 died. Never seen it before, it shorted out so bad that my motherboard would not even turn on with the card installed, the power supply protection would trip I guess. Sad since it was working perfectly until that.

I could just get another 580 but $100 for a 580 vs 175-200 for a vega 56 seemed like a worthwhile upgrade from benchmarks. If I did this I would mostly want to maintain 165hz at 1080p low settings. That would be roughly a 30% improvement which seemed to line up with benchmarks I saw.

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The AIBs, tho, are getting cheaper. You should find one with triple fan for 300$ for the 5700.
The best deals I have seen for 3 fan models were in the $350+ range, do you know of one around $300 you could point out?

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Thanks for the heads up, I will keep an eye on that, Didn't realize their open box deals could be so good. $320 is tempting but not as much as $280 considering the gas money and time to get over there (15mpg sucks when you have to drive 100 miles lol). So all said and done I am looking at closer to $340 to get the card assuming I don't have to drive back to exchange it.

I wounder if a open box reference 5700xt is worth it over a $300 AIB 5700. Once the 5700 is flashed it seems the XT only offers a few % improvement?

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-1750MHz-E...NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Considering ordering that and giving it a try during the 30 day return window. Then if it doesn't work out /is not worth the extra cost or a better deal pops up I have the option of returning it.

Read mixed reviews about that particular card though, personally XFX have been the best AMD cards I have owned.
Don't let the reviews sideline you. Between a buggy bios on release and and bad drivers this card was trialed, sentence and executed by the internet media before XFX could even respond to the criticisms. I looked and looked but didn't find anyone doing a follow-up with the new drivers and new bios. I bought the 5700XT non-Ultra off Amazon for $389 and Im blown away. I was getting 1900+ core frequency on tomb raider after some tweaking of the voltage and OCing the core. Fan hasn't seen above 2.5K rpm and that was only when I was stress testing my tweaks. In game I was really only seeing 1.7k rpm and the noise wasn't that bad. Now that the new driver does screen capture with ease I may post some videos of gaming at 1440p. This card series was done dirty(looking at you gamer nexus.) The Ultra Thicc III isn't probably even needed but the tubers have spoken and deemed the Thic II unfit. Pretty sad indeed.

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Don't let the reviews sideline you. Between a buggy bios on release and and bad drivers this card was trialed, sentence and executed by the internet media before XFX could even respond to the criticisms. I looked and looked but didn't find anyone doing a follow-up with the new drivers and new bios. I bought the 5700XT non-Ultra off Amazon for $389 and Im blown away. I was getting 1900+ core frequency on tomb raider after some tweaking of the voltage and OCing the core. Fan hasn't seen above 2.5K rpm and that was only when I was stress testing my tweaks. In game I was really only seeing 1.7k rpm and the noise wasn't that bad. Now that the new driver does screen capture with ease I may post some videos of gaming at 1440p. This card series was done dirty(looking at you gamer nexus.) The Ultra Thicc III isn't probably even needed but the tubers have spoken and deemed the Thic II unfit. Pretty sad indeed.
Yeah, besides the stainless steel memory cooler which seems to of been corrected, I didn't see anything notably wrong with the pure stats of the card but everyone keeps complaining about how bad it is so was not sure what to make of it.

Like I said I have had such good experienced with XFX customer service over the years I am more then willing to give it a chance. Only other companies that are in the same league for me personally are EVGA and logitech. Never had a complaint about any of their customer service which is why they are my first choices.

EDI: I had not heard about the bios issues, So I guess I should look for a bios update when I get my card in? I also plan to flash a XT bios to the secondary bios to see how it likes it, do you know if that is a particular XT bios that works best?

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