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Should I get used Vega 56 or new RX 5700?

Ok, so I am leaning towards the vega 56 (particularly if I can talk down one I see on Craigslist to a reasonable price) but knowing that most of them were used for mining, the peace of mind for a new RX 5700 does hold value after my RX 580 mining card died.

Looks like the going prices are ~$190-200 for a vega 56 or ~$300 for a RX 5700.

I mostly play Apex legends and Modern warfare at 1080p on a 165hz monitor but am considering moving to a 1440p 144hz if I find a good deal. I do not care if I have to turn down the settings, FPS > Quality

I ran an RX 580 @ 1400mhz / 2000mhz until it died last week. Generally kept me in the 100-120fps+ range except for large maps.

Power draw is a concern as well but not a massive issue.

I would be overclocking / flashing any card I get.

Or should I consider something like a 1660 super?

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Ok, so I am leaning towards the vega 56 (particularly if I can talk down one I see on Craigslist to a reasonable price) but knowing that most of them were used for mining, the peace of mind for a new RX 5700 does hold value after my RX 580 mining card died.

Looks like the going prices are ~$190-200 for a vega 56 or ~$300 for a RX 5700.

I mostly play Apex legends and Modern warfare at 1080p on a 165hz monitor but am considering moving to a 1440p 144hz if I find a good deal. I do not care if I have to turn down the settings, FPS > Quality

I ran an RX 580 @ 1400mhz / 2000mhz until it died last week. Generally kept me in the 100-120fps+ range except for large maps.

Power draw is a concern as well but not a massive issue.

I would be overclocking / flashing any card I get.

Or should I consider something like a 1660 super?
RX5700 is roughly on par with Vega 64 and depending on titles, a bit faster stock clocked. 1660 super isn't worth it. V56 at $200 is a good deal but again, mining cards are risky business.

Personally assuming you did not want to up the budget to 2070 / 5700xt level, the 5700 is the best all around card in the range - especially if you are also factoring in power consumption as Vega cards aren't exactly eco friendly. If you are also ok with flashing, then 5700 without a doubt.


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If you're near a Microcenter (or Fry's?), you might be able to find an open box 5700 XT for $280.

Otherwise I'd say 5700.
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RX5700 is roughly on par with Vega 64 and depending on titles, a bit faster stock clocked. 1660 super isn't worth it. V56 at $200 is a good deal but again, mining cards are risky business.

Personally assuming you did not want to up the budget to 2070 / 5700xt level, the 5700 is the best all around card in the range - especially if you are also factoring in power consumption as Vega cards aren't exactly eco friendly. If you are also ok with flashing, then 5700 without a doubt.
That is more or less what my thoughts have been, I just keep second guessing myself. I don't really have the money for a 5700 but don't want to regret getting a vega 56 in 6 months.

If I could find a Vega 56 for $150-175 I would be much less hesitant since the bang for the buck is better.

At $200 vs $300, I am paying 50% more for around ~25% better performance + a 3 year warranty.

The question is will that extra performance be worth itAnd yes, I am completely ok with flashing and modding for more performance. I would end up doing it anyways no matter what I get. Just what I end up doing lol. I wanted to raise the power limit on my 580 to see what it would do but could not get a bios to work.

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If you're near a Microcenter (or Fry's?), you might be able to find an open box 5700 XT for $280.

Otherwise I'd say 5700.
I live about an hour from both stores, how would I know if it is worth driving to them? Is that something you can call and ask about? For that price it would be a no brainier.


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I live about an hour from both stores, how would I know if it is worth driving to them? Is that something you can call and ask about? For that price it would be a no brainier.
For Microcenter they list open box stock online. Fry's I have no idea. You might have to call them.

I've read some 50/50 stuff regarding open box depending on the store. Some stores are fantastic (usually I hear Microcenter is good) while others might just put dud units back on the shelf (I've read one Fry's story about that, don't know which store though and if this is commonplace at all Fry's) so it might take 2 trips to get a working one unless they just flat out refuse to give you a new one in exchange.

General strategy is to get a reference open box card and slap on a Raijintek Morpheus + 2 fans for ~$90-$100. The Morpheus you can reuse for subsequent GPUs so its cost is amortized over several GPU purchases.

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Here's some of the ones from the Dallas Microcenter. Unfortunately their open box reference 5700 XT is $320 instead of the $280 I saw at the Flushing NY store.



For comparison I occasionally see Gigabyte's and PowerColor's Reference 5700 at $300 brand new and PowerColor's, Asus's, or XFX's Reference 5700XT at $360.

https://www.microcenter.com/search/s...-:-MicroCenter

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Thanks for the heads up, I will keep an eye on that, Didn't realize their open box deals could be so good. $320 is tempting but not as much as $280 considering the gas money and time to get over there (15mpg sucks when you have to drive 100 miles lol). So all said and done I am looking at closer to $340 to get the card assuming I don't have to drive back to exchange it.

I wounder if a open box reference 5700xt is worth it over a $300 AIB 5700. Once the 5700 is flashed it seems the XT only offers a few % improvement?

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-1750MHz-E...NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Considering ordering that and giving it a try during the 30 day return window. Then if it doesn't work out /is not worth the extra cost or a better deal pops up I have the option of returning it.

Read mixed reviews about that particular card though, personally XFX have been the best AMD cards I have owned.

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Eh I don't really put much stock into anecdotal experience since companies that made some bad products one year can all of a sudden make great ones the year after and vice versa. MSi was like that with their motherboards for Ryzen 1000 which were mostly awful but as soon as they saw that Zen was actually good, their boards more or less became best in class right after.

Probably not at $320. At $280, maybe. The reference cooler is loud and will run hot so it's pretty bad as far as QOL goes. You can also flash the 5700 with a 5700 XT VBIOS and just overclock the card to perform close to a 5700 XT (regular 5700 has a hardcoded clockspeed limit) so you get pretty close performance but far better noise and temps.

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Yeah, that is kind of my thinking.

I pulled the trigger on the Amazon 5700 since I need a card right now, running on the IGPU with only 1 monitor sucks lol. Plus if this card really is as bad as everyone says then I have a built in excuse to return it if it comes to that.

Figure I will keep an eye out for either a good deal on a vega 56 or an open box 5700xt and see what pops up.

After really being honest with myself, I think that if I can find a vega 56 for ~$150-175 that would be the best option for me. Looks like it will allow me to maintain 165hz in most games at 1080p and still be usable at 1440p if I should upgrade.

At $200 it is right on that tipping point between vega 56 and 5700. I can't afford to have $200 die on me without a warranty.

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Thanks for the heads up, I will keep an eye on that, Didn't realize their open box deals could be so good. $320 is tempting but not as much as $280 considering the gas money and time to get over there (15mpg sucks when you have to drive 100 miles lol). So all said and done I am looking at closer to $340 to get the card assuming I don't have to drive back to exchange it.

I wounder if a open box reference 5700xt is worth it over a $300 AIB 5700. Once the 5700 is flashed it seems the XT only offers a few % improvement?

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-1750MHz-E...NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Considering ordering that and giving it a try during the 30 day return window. Then if it doesn't work out /is not worth the extra cost or a better deal pops up I have the option of returning it.

Read mixed reviews about that particular card though, personally XFX have been the best AMD cards I have owned.
Stay away from reference cards unless you plan to watercool or use headphones and ramp the fan speed up.

I've had good luck with XFX but last card I used from them was a 7970Ghz Edition. Reviews were pretty mediocre for the card but I got lucky and it was rock solid and overclocked past the average card across all brands. I've been using Sapphire and Powercolor since. Come to think of it, I really haven't had issue with any of them so like always YMMV.

If you plan to flash, can't go wrong with a 5700 at $299.99. Keep in mind as well, now that AMD is off the GCN architecture (Vega 56/64 and Radeon 7 are the last cards on it) RDNA is the focus and 5700 and newer cards will pull away more year after year simply due to driver focus. The whole 'amd finewine' thing lasted so long because GCN was used on so many products so older models continued to get optimizations. RDNA will be like this so at this point in time, even as an oc'ed Vega64 owner I can't really recommend the cards unless you get an absolutely awesome deal.


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