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XFX RX 5700 Ultra DD Review, Why did this card get so much hate? It is really good.

This is a repost from inside this thread: https://www.overclock.net/forum/67-a...rx-5700-a.html

The XFX ultra DD showed up yesterday and I have been messing around with it. It appears I have the first gen model with the stainless memory pads but besides that I got to say, it is really a nice card.

Even stock it is over 2x the performance of my old 580.

Benchmarks are all run with my 8700k at 4.9ghz.

RX 580 stock:



RX 5700 stock


Been playing with overclocking it, interestingly, while most said there was a hard limit of 1850mhz on the 5700 it allowed me to set 2000 with the stock bios. actually beating the stock XT bios numbers.

RX 5700 overclock maxed out


RX 5700 XT thic III bios flash stock


RX 5700 XT quick and dirty overclock 2050 core, 925mem, +50pwr


I then played around with morepowertool and gave it unlimited power limit and raised the core voltage to 1250mv to see what it could do. Was able to bump it up to 2100core and 975mem (can go 1000mem I later found but not sure about long term stability)


I plan to dial in an overclock over the next few days but wanted to see what my silicon lottery shook out to be first. Doesn't look like I can go much over 2100core, memory might be able to go higher but have not stress tested it yet.

The much more reasonable overclock was this, 2050 core, 1200mv, 1000mem +50prw. Next step is to try undervolting and see what the best bang for the buck settings are.



It generally sits around 230-240w during the XT bios 1250mv overclocking tests and the cooler handles it without an issue. Core sitting in the low 70's, hot spot about 20c hotter on average. Only complaint would be memory temps, they get hotter then I would like at ~10c above the core but still well below the 95c rating. A copper contact plate should fix that I would think but still acceptable. Noise level even at those power levels was perfectly acceptable as well, generally not going much over 2k rpm at 230w

For fun I launched kombustor donut test with the ~400w+ power limit and 1250mv going to the core (at the full 2100 core speed, it was stable even in this test). It was pulling almost 300W! The fan kicked up to like 80% but was still able to keep the card from throttling with hot spot around 100-105 and core at 80-85.As a rule the real core speed was about 50-60mhz lower then what I set, it seems like this is fairly normal for the 5700 series.

So yeah, like said above, this card got a lot of hate for nothing IMHO. The memory plate should of been copper or even aluminum and had better contact with the heat sink sure but the performance is still acceptable, memory never got above the 95c rating for gddr6, it just got closer then I would of liked. Think the highest I saw was around 90c or a bit higher during the donut test. Normally in the 80's.

Interestingly, I also get that fan bug with the XT bios flashed but NOT with the stock bios. About half the time the fans will not kick on until the card is 105c. Once they kick on though it works fine until I restart. If I manually turn them on it also works fine. The error is because with the fans off from boot it mistakenly reads the RPM signal as 65k rpm and thinks they are already going full bore. As soon as they spin it detects the real RPM and works fine. Not sure how to fix that.

Anyone know if there is a way to get the new copper plates for this card? I will be interesting to see if the B&H card has the copper plate, figure I will go ahead and order that one since it is cheaper then what I paid. They are supposed to get a fresh shipment of them from XFX on the 20th since they are out of stock now.

Did a few quick tests in game and the 5700 is legit over 2x the speed in real games as well vs the rx 580. The XT would be great but honestly at $100 extra it is not worth the cost to me, very happy with this decision. Now to hunt down a 1440p 144hz monitor...

Anyone else have some superposition benchmarks from 5700 or 5700 XT cards to compare? Curious how these match up.

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I don't think it was the card that got hate, more so the cooler that the RX 5700 XT THICC had itself because of the memory plates, which is what the RX 5700 DD has as well. Easy way for them to cut costs, especially for card that performs cooler.

I think this card is a great deal if you got it for $300. Change the memory plate, BIOS flash and overclock, very good value.

I've been eyeing to flash it to the XT BIOS and call it a day. Was going to use the Reference BIOS, but it seems that you used the THICC III BIOS without issue. Since you say you were able to clock the 5700 BIOS past the usual limits without restriction, I might have to look into that option as well, instead of flashing.

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I don't think it was the card that got hate, more so the cooler that the RX 5700 XT THICC had itself because of the memory plates, which is what the RX 5700 DD has as well. Easy way for them to cut costs, especially for card that performs cooler.

I think this card is a great deal if you got it for $300. Change the memory plate, BIOS flash and overclock, very good value.

I've been eyeing to flash it to the XT BIOS and call it a day. Was going to use the Reference BIOS, but it seems that you used the THICC III BIOS without issue. Since you say you were able to clock the 5700 BIOS past the usual limits without restriction, I might have to look into that option as well, instead of flashing.
Yeah, the only issue I had with the thic III bios was that the fans would not kick on until the card was 100c sometimes.

I figured out a fix though, I used morepowertool to increase the minimum fan PWM to 35% like the stock ultra DD bios up from the 15% it was at with the thic III bios. This seems to of solved the issue.

Other then that it has been working fine, at 1200mv I have been able to push it to around 2050 core and 975 memory (it will do 1000mem just fine but I have been getting mixed results in game performance with it that high, can't explain it yet). Temps are fine and hitting power limit is a non-issue.

You could just use the morepower tool to get most of the performance if you wanted as well if you didn't want to mess with the bios flash.

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I recently purchased this card on Amazon. I was originally going to get a 1660 super or used 1070ti, but figured the difference in price was worth upgrading to the 5700. I play all ranges of games and have no desire to OC. I am worried about temps and read that if I use the given software I can under volt the card and this could help with temps? I read that AMD are notorious for over volting their gpus. If this is correct or if you have other ideas for me, it'd be greatly appreciated. Also, with some older games I'm told this card could cause stuttering and that disabling vertical sync could help. If you can give me any tips and let me know which bios to use, that'd be awesome thanks! I've been trying to find more info about this card or people talking about it and mostly it's just if they like it or don't. This thread seems more interested in data which is nice.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dolsey View Post
I recently purchased this card on Amazon. I was originally going to get a 1660 super or used 1070ti, but figured the difference in price was worth upgrading to the 5700. I play all ranges of games and have no desire to OC. I am worried about temps and read that if I use the given software I can under volt the card and this could help with temps? I read that AMD are notorious for over volting their gpus. If this is correct or if you have other ideas for me, it'd be greatly appreciated. Also, with some older games I'm told this card could cause stuttering and that disabling vertical sync could help. If you can give me any tips and let me know which bios to use, that'd be awesome thanks! I've been trying to find more info about this card or people talking about it and mostly it's just if they like it or don't. This thread seems more interested in data which is nice.
This card is just fine for temps in stock form, you can just leave it alone and enjoy if you want.

That said you can generally get away with some undervolting, although this quickly comes down to silicon lottery. The "auto-undervolt" option in wattmann is a simple way to give it a quick undervolt.

Vertical sync should always be off anyways unless screen tearing is a major issue in a particular game. And even then a 144hz monitor tearing should not really be an issue. FReesync is much much better.

Far as a bios to use, if you don't want to overclock, then I would not jump into flashing bios's. First step is overclocking with the stock bios, you can basically max everything out and have no issues. Only when you want more then that do you worry about flashing a bios.

Morepowertool can get you most of the performance gain of a bios and is completely reversible with the click of a button.

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Ok, so my XFX DD ultra 5700 from B&H FINALLY arrived yesterday and I tore both cards down and did some in depth comparisons.

Found a few interesting changes and differences.

First we will start with the boxes, The first one I got from amazon was made in Taiwan and was version 2.1. The new one from B&H was made in China and is version 1.0.

The PCB's appear to be the same between them but the components are clearly different. Based purely on visuals the Taiwan components look nicer BUT they don't preform that way it seems.

Out of the box the cooler performance on both cards was basically the same, the new one having a slightly better performance in some ways but the cards act a bit different in general so hard to directly compare.

The new cooler has an aluminum memory heat sink and is mounted to the main heat sink. In practice this netted me a reduction of 2-4c on memory temps by itself, so nice but not worth the hassle of worrying about it by any means, the temps were fine with the old cooler as well.

Now for the performance comparisons, one strange thing I noticed was the new card seems to have a higher delta between the core temp and hot spot temp. I average around 20c on the old card but get around 30c on the new one. Still can't explain this.

While I had both cards apart I decided to try a few mods to improve cooling.

This was the baseline on the old card at 250W power draw limit.

http://pballandmore.com/images/2019/...r9lRFlRwKf.jpg

This is the old card with the plastic shrouds removed. I then sanded down the pegs on the cooler where the screws go into to allow the cooler to apply more pressure to the GPU and tightened down the screws extra tight along with new thermal paste (I tried thermal paste alone on the other card and it had minimal effects).

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So a massive gain in cooling all said and done, I then did the same to the new cooler and for some reason had a hard time getting it to the same performance level, to the point I almost just used the old cooler. Not sure what was going on with it, the new cards core temp would be the same or even a little cooler but the hot spot temp would always be a little higher.

I finally just said screw it and put liquid metal on the new card with the new cooler, this only improved things by a few degrees as expected but overall the results are close enough that the coolers are basically the same performance wise with a bit cooler memory on the new one.

When it comes to mods for this card, here is what is worth it:

1: Remove the plastic shrouds from the card, this dropped the temps a ton and have no downsides besides cosmetics (also makes the card a bit smaller). The fans also do not run nearly as hard as before. Very little risk.

2: If you are very careful you can sand the pegs on the core mounting holes down a bit (I sanded about 0.5mm off the end of the studs) to allow more mounting pressure on the core Careful to not scratch the heat sink surface or it can be worse then not doing anything. This also had a big effect.

2.5: I didn't have any on hand but some plastic washers like they use in the reference cards would also be nice here to increase pressure

3: replacing the thermal paste is not worth the time or hassle alone but naturally if you have it apart replace it.

4: Liquid metal is just not worth it, don't bother.

Now for the overclocking performance of the new card vs the old one.

The old card could run memory clocks of 1000mhz or higher for awhile at a time but would crash after extended use. I had to drop down to 875mhz to know it was stable.
The new card crashes instantly if I overclock the memory to 950mhz, have not found what the actual overclock is capable of yet.

The old card had a max of ~2100mhz @ 1200mv in benchmarks and around 2025mhz @ 1200mv in most games. Instantly crashing much above this.
The new card has been running at upwards of 2200mhz @ 1200mv in benchmarks and 2125mhz @ 1200mv in games. Still need to find the max overclock.

In benchmarks the higher memory speed basically balanced out the higher core clocks so the final scores were similar. In games the new card pulls ahead since core clock is more important.

I think that the overclocking performance has more to do with the silicon lottery then the card itself.

Far as the new cooler, it is nice and does improve memory temps but I would not worry about it either way by any means. Both work just fine.

I would totally recommend removing the plastic shrouds from these cards, that is WELL worth the time and effort, I didn't even apply new thermal paste at first when I tested it and still got around 20c reduction in temps at 250w load.

Sanding the mounting pegs and adding some washers for more mounting pressure is for those more adventures, you can do more harm then good with this if you don't know what you are doing. The results are worth it if you know what to do though.

I plan to fine tune the overclock and see what is truly stable over the next few days.

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The price of the XT was $450 in the USA. With the MSRP being $400 for a 5700 xt. For such an expensive card the memory was poorly cooled. On a lesser note the card is bigger then it needs to be because of the plastic. So it got bashed by GamerNexus, then a XFX rep of some kind responded poorly, instead of acknowledging the problem. To teach them a lesson, it seems like GamerNexus was a bit harder on the card after that. I only say that because the price dropped but it was still given the worst card award.(my opinion) GamerNexus Fans were definitely harder on XFX.


That resulted in the sweet sweet price drops . As it should. Grabbing almost any 5700 at $280, $300 is a steal. The 5700 xt goes for $370 atm.


p.s. oh yeah and as you know it helps the temps to remove the plastic.

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The price of the XT was $450 in the USA. With the MSRP being $400 for a 5700 xt. For such an expensive card the memory was poorly cooled. On a lesser note the card is bigger then it needs to be because of the plastic. So it got bashed by GamerNexus, then a XFX rep of some kind responded poorly, instead of acknowledging the problem. To teach them a lesson, it seems like GamerNexus was a bit harder on the card after that. I only say that because the price dropped but it was still given the worst card award.(my opinion) GamerNexus Fans were definitely harder on XFX.


That resulted in the sweet sweet price drops . As it should. Grabbing almost any 5700 at $280, $300 is a steal. The 5700 xt goes for $370 atm.


p.s. oh yeah and as you know it helps the temps to remove the plastic.
Got an XT and can't seem to figure out which temps are for the memory. This during a game.
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Got an XT and can't seem to figure out which temps are for the memory. This during a game.
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