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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-02-2020, 10:37 PM - Thread Starter
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5700XT Help - Junction temps (MSI GAMING X)

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Kinda need some help regarding my 5700XT and the ever climbing junction temperatures.

I have the 5700XT Gaming X from MSI and the ‘Junction’ temps keep climbing up over time, increasing the fan curve and acoustics of the card. What could be causing Junction temps to go from a normal ‘great’ temperature to a ‘bad’ temp in this way ???

I will need to explain

When I first got the card I run some stress testing to check temperatures, 3dmark timespy on a 1 hour loop, core temp 74c and junction temp 92c
around 3 months later I do some testing and notice Junction temps are way high , core temp now 73c and junction 108c !!!

I decide to re-paste the card thinking that it is probably bad paste from factory.

After a re-paste I run a test and now card is good again temps even better then factory, core temp 66c junction 81c
thinking this had solved the problem around 1 week later I re-test and notice that temps are BAD again, now 81c core and 108c junction…

I thought maybe I didn’t apply enough pressure when re-pasting card and it could have air bubbles or something (I think that is a real thing!?) lol

So this time I did another re-paste this time I applied a little more paste then before and did the process more carefully. I also added in a ‘GPU bracket’ once the card was installed back to my case to stop any sagging and keep the card secured better…. When testing core temp now 71c and junction 88c – back to normal again!

3 days later I re-run my testing and would you believe it … temps gone BAD again 79c core 106c junction…..

What am I doing wrong here!?

A couple of thoughts I have >>>

1. Bad Thermal paste? - I'm using Noctua NT-H1
(however the factory thermal paste showed same symptoms)

2. Vertical mount? – Should a card of this weight be horizontally mounted?
(Would this take away mounting pressure issues?)

3. Screw retention? – does my card not have enough pressure from heat sink to GPU ??
(Interesting mention, if I apply ‘pressure’ with my hands between fan shroud and back plate the ‘Junction’ temps drop instantly by around 10-15c and as soon as I ‘release’ the pressure with my hand Junction temps rocket up again instantly)

I’m getting pretty worn out dealing with the issue as this is my 2nd 5700XT with temp problems, the first one being a 5700XT MSI EVOKE. I was confident the Gaming X would be much better… very frustrating

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The Junction temp is not just related to the core, so reapplying thermal paste isn't going to help.

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(Interesting mention, if I apply ‘pressure’ with my hands between fan shroud and back plate the ‘Junction’ temps drop instantly by around 10-15c and as soon as I ‘release’ the pressure with my hand Junction temps rocket up again instantly)
Your memory temps might be high, perhaps in the high 90s. The cooler is not making good contact with the thermal pads on the card.


MSI cards are the worst 5700XTs in cooling, especially the Memory.

The easy solution is to undervolt the card.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ashura View Post
The Junction temp is not just related to the core, so reapplying thermal paste isn't going to help.


Your memory temps might be high, perhaps in the high 90s. The cooler is not making good contact with the thermal pads on the card.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdC8konCqMM&t=121s

MSI cards are the worst 5700XTs in cooling, especially the Memory.

The easy solution is to undervolt the card.


Thanks for your reply, the video you linked shows the EVOKE my card is the MSI Gaming X, and is significantly better then the evoke in terms of cooling performance.

Undervolting is obviously an option however with a MSI Gaming X I shouldn't need it

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Quote: Originally Posted by Irev View Post
Thanks for your reply, the video you linked shows the EVOKE my card is the MSI Gaming X, and is significantly better then the evoke in terms of cooling performance.

Undervolting is obviously an option however with a MSI Gaming X I shouldn't need it
I know, But the problem you're mentioning is unfortunately quite similar to the Evoke.

For one reason or the other the cooler isn't making good contact.

you could tighten the screws, change the thermal pads etc...

but like you mentioned, it shouldn't be needed with a flagship card.

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If it's not throttling then meh. However you could flip your computer upside down to see if it is mounting pressure. Or simply squeeze it with 2 fingers, watch n see if the temps drop, keep the pressure for at least a minute. Then of course, is it a lot hotter now where you live? Something to consider. Ambient temp makes a huge difference.

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"(Interesting mention, if I apply ‘pressure’ with my hands between fan shroud and back plate the ‘Junction’ temps drop instantly by around 10-15c and as soon as I ‘release’ the pressure with my hand Junction temps rocket up again instantly)"

I missed this. If you do it for a few minutes and it stays down. Even a minute. Then yeah you will benefit from more pressure. Flipping it or adding plastic washers to the screws on the backplate should help.

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If it's not throttling then meh. However you could flip your computer upside down to see if it is mounting pressure. Or simply squeeze it with 2 fingers, watch n see if the temps drop, keep the pressure for at least a minute. Then of course, is it a lot hotter now where you live? Something to consider. Ambient temp makes a huge difference.

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"(Interesting mention, if I apply ‘pressure’ with my hands between fan shroud and back plate the ‘Junction’ temps drop instantly by around 10-15c and as soon as I ‘release’ the pressure with my hand Junction temps rocket up again instantly)"

I missed this. If you do it for a few minutes and it stays down. Even a minute. Then yeah you will benefit from more pressure. Flipping it or adding plastic washers to the screws on the backplate should help.

Thanks for the reply, yep I also think it's a mounting pressure issue... I wonder if any other MSI Gaming X cards have this issue... obviously the issue is no were near as bad as the Strix mounting issue.
I'll test some 'pressure' for a minute or so and see what happens... still annoying to do this with this particular model!

Its one of those things were I Just think maybe I should have gone with the red devil or nitro card, but most of my system is currently MSI.

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Have you messed with the power slider? My junction temp goes from 94C to 110C when I max that out.

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First of all i have the same card.For my experience the juction temp is the the same from the first day i bought the card.My current settings at wattman 2070mhz core 1,11v,mem 1820mhz ,45%fun curve only, max and power limit 5%.With these setting my average gaming clock is arround 2015mhz and temps at demanding games or timespy 70-73 for gpu and 90-93 junction.When i was trying to find the lowest Vcore for 2150mhz(2090mhz real clock) on wattman where in my case is 1,16v and power limit up to 15% then i had hard time to tame the junction temp,i had junction around 100c with 55% fun and sometime due to tem spikes of 103-105 fun was going 2300 rpm.So i use max core clock settings only for benchmarks now.This is my experience with the card is a really good overcloker.Are you using latest drivers?Maybe you get some wrong readings due to old driver or incorrect installation

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First of all i have the same card.For my experience the juction temp is the the same from the first day i bought the card.My current settings at wattman 2070mhz core 1,11v,mem 1820mhz ,45%fun curve only, max and power limit 5%.With these setting my average gaming clock is arround 2015mhz and temps at demanding games or timespy 70-73 for gpu and 90-93 junction.When i was trying to find the lowest Vcore for 2150mhz(2090mhz real clock) on wattman where in my case is 1,16v and power limit up to 15% then i had hard time to tame the junction temp,i had junction around 100c with 55% fun and sometime due to tem spikes of 103-105 fun was going 2300 rpm.So i use max core clock settings only for benchmarks now.This is my experience with the card is a really good overcloker.Are you using latest drivers?Maybe you get some wrong readings due to old driver or incorrect installation
HI antonis,
I'm using latest drivers and get same temp reading from msi ab, gpuz and also radeon software.

See this attached image of the temp reading from factory paste, this is before I re-pasted the card, as you can see high junction temps but decent core temp. the fan is running around 1900rpm all settings stock.

The strange thing is after I repaste the junction drops to like 85c and stays there for quite a while after a day or two the temps slowly raise back up to the 105-109c junction.... im honestly not sure what to do here to fix it...
I did lay my computer down flat to 'test' vertical mounting the GPU however it made little to no difference in junction temps.

next thing to try is more mounting pressure.

Sidenote: my fans only start spinning once card hits 70c on the core temp does your card show same behavior?

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So you tried different programs for tempreture readings.Its strange your temps are a lot higher than mine.My room temp is around 20c so nothing special.Can you tell tme your power consumption;Mine 170 to 195 watts at heavy gaming and 215w at time spy.For your information all this with Gpu Clock 2070mhz(2015 real) Vcore 1.11v and mem 1820mhz.

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