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post #251 of 391 (permalink) Old 06-06-2019, 10:56 AM
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To those who are new to Turing bios flashing: Pls note that only A-Chips with the device ID 1F07 can be flashed with a stronger bios (one exception, not going into detail). How to find your chip's ID is explained a few posts earlier.
I've been following your posts for a while now and you have been extremely helpful. thank you. Because of you i found the Non-A Gigabyte Bios, and successfully flashed it.

I ultimately had to revert it back to my stock EVGA Black BIOS because of the different number of fans. and i cant do the mini-PWM splitter mod because EVGA uses a proprietary fan connector on this card.

However i just found a new Non-A bios on a card with 2 fans and 225W. ( https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/208477/208477 )

I'm really excited to flash this and test it out, however i am new to flashing BIOS on GPU. Do you know if this particular BIOS being unverified is a potential risk?

UPDATE:

Okay, reporting back on the flash.

There is still a fan issue but it is much more bearable. It limits fan speeds to 2700 vs stock 3800 at 100% and also removes the ability to have fans turn off.

The other thing of note is that i was unable to get a higher OC. I was able to push clocks much higher with Auto OC and Manual OC, and they held at around 1990 - 2025 in Valley. However when i moved to TimeSpy the clock topped off at 1750 albeit much steadier. I had fans at 100% and the only Perflimit i had was "Pwr". Thermals hovered around 60 - 64.

It's a damn shame because i could easily deal with the lower speed fans for the added 25W of headroom but nothing i could do held the clock at a higher OC in TimeSpy.

Can anyone shed some light on why i might be experiencing this? I was hitting Pwr limit the whole time, i imagine it is related to that but i cant quite come to that conclusion because i was hitting the same Pwr limit in Valley.

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Unfortunately I have no idea how to fix this. Some issues in the unverified bios maybe?

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The GeForce 20 series is a family of graphics processing units developed by Nvidia, and was announced at Gamescom on August 20, 2018. It is the successor to the GeForce 10 series, and started shipping on September 20, 2018.

DAMN! Once again Nvidia shows me that being a loyal early adopter is just asking to be bent over without any lube. "According to Nvidia, the Super cards offer, on average, about 15 percent gains in speed over their non-Super editions, with the upper reaches of the cards’ performance levels achieving between 20 and 25 percent gains depending on your rig." also... "Nvidia is keeping the prices the same for the 2070 and 2080 lines, so Super versions of those cards will go for $499 and $699, respectively, while the 2060 Super will slot in now at $399, or about $50 more than a standard 2060. The 2060 and 2070 cards launch on July 9th, and the 2080 Super comes out on July 23rd. As part of the sale, Nvidia is also offering a bundle on RTX Super cards with two free games that take advantage of ray tracing: Remedy Entertainment’s Control and Bethesda’s Wolfenstein: Youngblood, both of which come out this summer." All this LESS THAN 1 YEAR AFTER THE ORIGINAL RELEASE!
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I said it in some other thread, by my card, overclocked, is matching a reference 2070 Super. I don't really think upgrading is worth the hassle.

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I said it in some other thread, by my card, overclocked, is matching a reference 2070 Super. I don't really think upgrading is worth the hassle.



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I don't think anyone is expecting rtx owners to buy these cards. Unless you went up a card or two.

The whole point of these is to stop anyone from considering AMD. Notice how they shoved these out right before the Navi release so they would be included in Navi reviews. And they dropped the teaser right when hype was high for amd at computex.


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Quote: Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post
I said it in some other thread, by my card, overclocked, is matching a reference 2070 Super. I don't really think upgrading is worth the hassle.

EVGA XC Ultra (+1200 MHz mem, auto-OC averaging 2025-2050 MHz core)
Power unlimited 2070 will match power limiter 2070 Super in OC pretty much. Even at 200W max with my crappy 4 core 4 thread I can get into 10000-10500 score in Timespy yet the highest in reviews I've seen from 2070S OC (215W*1.2) was 11100 or so.
The Super are what RTX should have been from the start, including bundled games, not that I expect Supers to come with games in my region but it would definitely be better than the bare no bundled games RTX they are selling so far.

At equal power limit Super vs normal the performance difference is not as large as reviews are showing it.

In reviews they compare stock 175W 2070 at low clocks vs 2070 Super at 215W and high clocks... of course it's faster ha when it's pushed so much more from the factory. The added hardware helps yes but it's not much. The clocks and power limit is what gives it that extra performance increase.

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I don't think anyone is expecting rtx owners to buy these cards. Unless you went up a card or two.

The whole point of these is to stop anyone from considering AMD. Notice how they shoved these out right before the Navi release so they would be included in Navi reviews. And they dropped the teaser right when hype was high for amd at computex.


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2070 to 2080 is pointless, same as it was with previous 70/80 cards. The difference is not big even on Turing where it was larger than before due to how they cut the chips this time around.

NV always launches something just before AMD does, to show their cards vs older cards and get reviewers busy and tired. Then AMD launches and is being compared to NV's new cards and reviewers are freakin' sleepless tired.
2070 Super, worth about $350.
5700 XT about $275.

They still have a long way to go to get to sensible pricing. Look how long it took for Vega to drop down and it drop down deep while everyone was saying how expensive the cards are to make and there is no profit margin to cut and so on, there always is, they are making a killing on GPUs especially Nvidia.

Turing is sort of a stop gap and a way to push for more tracing in graphics.
Navi... a catch up from AMD after their flops and bad decisions. 7nm... don't care, perf./price and perf./power is what matters.

Can't wait for the 6 months wait until custom cards of Navi get to stores. They always know how to make people wait.
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DAMN! Once again Nvidia shows me that being a loyal early adopter is just asking to be bent over without any lube. "According to Nvidia, the Super cards offer, on average, about 15 percent gains in speed over their non-Super editions, with the upper reaches of the cards’ performance levels achieving between 20 and 25 percent gains depending on your rig." also... "Nvidia is keeping the prices the same for the 2070 and 2080 lines, so Super versions of those cards will go for $499 and $699, respectively, while the 2060 Super will slot in now at $399, or about $50 more than a standard 2060. The 2060 and 2070 cards launch on July 9th, and the 2080 Super comes out on July 23rd. As part of the sale, Nvidia is also offering a bundle on RTX Super cards with two free games that take advantage of ray tracing: Remedy Entertainment’s Control and Bethesda’s Wolfenstein: Youngblood, both of which come out this summer." All this LESS THAN 1 YEAR AFTER THE ORIGINAL RELEASE!
 
There is no such thing as "loyal early adopter" when it comes to graphics cards. You purchase the card that has the performance closest to your needs or wallet and that's it.

Typed this up on reddit, which shows it's not that big of a deal if you're on the current 2070 & 2080 cards.

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The 2080 SUPER is actually unnecessary and barely a upgrade (not from a monetary standpoint obviously). They could easily have skipped it.

The RTX 2060 & 2070 SUPER received major upgrades,

RTX 2060 SUPER got a,

13% increase in CUDA Cores

8GB VRAM up from 6

256-bit memory up from 192

448 GB/s memory bandwidth up from 336

and 120 TMUs to 136

48 ROPs to 64

30 SMs to 34

This is insanity! The memory is almost as fast in terms of bandwidth as a 1080 Ti, and this memory can be overclocked more so it actually catches up, and it's only 3GB shy of the 1080 Ti, this card will be able to be purchased for as little as $350 after prices has settled or on sale, that is just incredible. NVIDIA has never released such a high performing budget card ever before.



RTX 2070 SUPER got a,

11% increase in CUDA Cores

9% faster Core Clock

and 144 TMUs to 160

36 SMs to 40

This is decent, what you need to realize is that the faster core clock doesn't really matter at all here, it's basically a faster "factory overclock", this means it'll overclock less than a regular RTX 2070, so comparing both variants overclocked by the end user, the performance difference will be much smaller.



Then lastly we have the RTX 2080 SUPER,

4.3% increase in CUDA Cores

6% faster Core Clock

11% faster Memory Clock

46 SMs to 48

This is a big meh, both the Core Clock and Memory Clock should be wiped out here because they are just factory overclocked, you can manually reach this overclock with a regular RTX 2080, then the only difference would be a measly ~4% CUDA Core increase, so we're talking literally a rough ~5% performance bump at most from a user overclocked 2080 vs 2080 SUPER. (And yes the current RTX 2080 cards use the Samsung 16Gbps GDDR6 memory that can be overclocked to as much as 16.5Gbps, the SUPER card will just run it faster from factory at 15.5 instead of 14.

What really blows my mind about these cards is how much the 1080 Ti has dropped in value in a very short amount of time, the RTX 2070 SUPER gets really close to 1080 Ti or even surpasses it depending on what game or benchmark you run, this combined with the fact that it's an RTX card capable of raytracing plus a new full 2-3 year store warranty for only $499 makes a used 1080 Ti today not worth more than $300, so we're actually entering an era when 1080 Ti performance is only worth $300 (6 months ago 1080 Ti cards were frequently sold for double, $600), and that is mind boggling, because a 1080 Ti is still today considered a beast card that is capable of destroying any game in 1080p and almost reaching 144 FPS in 1440p consistently in any title, it's features far more performance than most people out there need, and you get this performance from a brand new card today with raytracing and 3 year warranty for just $499, you'll surely be able to find these on sale after only weeks or months for $450 or even less.

RTX 2060 SUPER = Amazing (because of the performance)

RTX 2070 SUPER = Great (because of the price)

RTX 2080 SUPER = Good (just because)
 

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Just consider it a $100 price drop, something that anyone should have expected to happen once some competition appears.

Hardly the first time Nvidia have played these games, remember the GTX260 216 as an early example.
The GTX260 not only existed in two different configurations (192 and 216 stream processors) but also in 65 and 55nm variants for maximum confusion.
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