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post #11251 of 11303 (permalink) Old 05-22-2020, 10:45 AM
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I would say never spend more than $650ish on a gpu but I doubt we will ever see top-tier gpu from nvidia at $500-$700 ever again because nVidia can do whatever they want now. Unless AMD makes a gpu that can perform close to or the same as nvidia's $1200 counterpart.
3080 will be ~$700. They cannot do what they did with Turing again as not only does AMD have Big Navi coming out but there's also the next-gen consoles and Intel releasing discrete GPU next year. The price / performance of Turing was completely anomalous, it was released on the tail-end of the crypto mining craze (before BTC fell off of a cliff) with the expectation that that massive surge in demand would continue, it was also released in a vacuum as AMD did not have a competing product.

All of this has been fairly meted out by now in this thread, I'm not going to waste a whole lot more energy reiterating what I've already said.

3080 will be ~$700 and it will be 25% faster than 2080 Ti in Rasterization and 2-3x faster in RT @ 200W

3080 Ti will be $1000-1100 and will be 50% faster than 2080 Ti in rasterizatin and 3, possibly 4x faster in RT @ 300W

3070 will be $500 and will be as fast as 2080 Ti in rasterization yet do RT at least 2x faster @ 170-180W

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3080 will be ~$700. They cannot do what they did with Turing again as not only does AMD have Big Navi coming out but there's also the next-gen consoles and Intel releasing discrete GPU next year. The price / performance of Turing was completely anomalous, it was released on the tail-end of the crypto mining craze (before BTC fell off of a cliff) with the expectation that that massive surge in demand would continue, it was also released in a vacuum as AMD did not have a competing product.

All of this has been fairly meted out by now in this thread, I'm not going to waste a whole lot more energy reiterating what I've already said.

3080 will be ~$700 and it will be 25% faster than 2080 Ti in Rasterization and 2-3x faster in RT @ 200W

3080 Ti will be $1000-1100 and will be 50% faster than 2080 Ti in rasterizatin and 3, possibly 4x faster in RT @ 300W

3070 will be $500 and will be as fast as 2080 Ti in rasterization yet do RT at least 2x faster @ 170-180W
where is everyone pulling this 50% faster number from?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Mooncheese View Post
3080 will be ~$700. They cannot do what they did with Turing again as not only does AMD have Big Navi coming out but there's also the next-gen consoles and Intel releasing discrete GPU next year. The price / performance of Turing was completely anomalous, it was released on the tail-end of the crypto mining craze (before BTC fell off of a cliff) with the expectation that that massive surge in demand would continue, it was also released in a vacuum as AMD did not have a competing product.
Just to clear up something: AMD's target with their "Big Navi" card is to compete with RTX 2080 Ti, not RTX 3080 Ti. Nvidia's RTX 3080 Ti by default will be faster than this new AMD "Big Navi" card.

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where is everyone pulling this 50% faster number from?
That was started by the "Taipei Times" in Jan 2020 and everyone else has just "Ran with it" even today: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/.../02/2003728557 At the time of writing my message here I have not found any source actually direct from Nvidia that has actually stated any official claims of "50% faster" that I'm aware of. I may be wrong and if I am someone please correct me but I've been searching the internet a lot and I can't find any "Actual source from Nvidia" on that claim as of yet.

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Just to clear up something: AMD's target with their "Big Navi" card is to compete with RTX 2080 Ti, not RTX 3080 Ti. Nvidia's RTX 3080 Ti by default will be faster than this new AMD "Big Navi" card.


That was started by the "Taipei Times" in Jan 2020 and everyone else has just "Ran with it" even today: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/.../02/2003728557 At the time of writing my message here I have not found any source actually direct from Nvidia that has actually stated any official claims of "50% faster" that I'm aware of. I may be wrong and if I am someone please correct me but I've been searching the internet a lot and I can't find any "Actual source from Nvidia" on that claim as of yet.
i figured it was some bs rumor. I will be very surprised if its even 25% faster

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I would say never spend more than $650ish on a gpu but I doubt we will ever see top-tier gpu from nvidia at $500-$700 ever again because nVidia can do whatever they want now. Unless AMD makes a gpu that can perform close to or the same as nvidia's $1200 counterpart.
3080 will be ~$700. They cannot do what they did with Turing again as not only does AMD have Big Navi coming out but there's also the next-gen consoles and Intel releasing discrete GPU next year. The price / performance of Turing was completely anomalous, it was released on the tail-end of the crypto mining craze (before BTC fell off of a cliff) with the expectation that that massive surge in demand would continue, it was also released in a vacuum as AMD did not have a competing product.

All of this has been fairly meted out by now in this thread, I'm not going to waste a whole lot more energy reiterating what I've already said.

3080 will be ~$700 and it will be 25% faster than 2080 Ti in Rasterization and 2-3x faster in RT @ 200W

3080 Ti will be $1000-1100 and will be 50% faster than 2080 Ti in rasterizatin and 3, possibly 4x faster in RT @ 300W

3070 will be $500 and will be as fast as 2080 Ti in rasterization yet do RT at least 2x faster @ 170-180W
Where did you get this data from? And yes, Nvidia can do what they did with Turing. Based on these numbers you posted, if they're accurate, they will do the same exact thing. Who's gonna stop them at this point? Bitcoin was a part of the equation. It was mostly Nvidia pushing ray tracing hype and marketing and people, like me, buying into it and supporting their bs. Anything over $700 for a gaming GPU is absolute nonsense. The only thing I can see that would force Nvidia to be fair and competitive is the fact that ray tracing is no longer proprietary.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Mooncheese View Post
All of this has been fairly meted out by now in this thread, I'm not going to waste a whole lot more energy reiterating what I've already said.

3080 will be ~$700 and it will be 25% faster than 2080 Ti in Rasterization and 2-3x faster in RT @ 200W

3080 Ti will be $1000-1100 and will be 50% faster than 2080 Ti in rasterizatin and 3, possibly 4x faster in RT @ 300W

3070 will be $500 and will be as fast as 2080 Ti in rasterization yet do RT at least 2x faster @ 170-180W
Could you please share your source? Where did you see or hear this? Did you find out from any actual confirmed source / leak that these numbers are actually facts?
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I think the leaks in that YouTube video are likely true. From a business perspective it has to be considerably faster than the 2080Ti or it would be a flop. It will certainly drive the prices of a 2080Ti down and this should be helpful for the 4K community overall. I'm satisfied with my 2080Ti especially when it sounds like $1400+ custom designs all over again for 3080Ti. That price point is difficult to get excited about (minus the mining craze).

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I think the leaks in that YouTube video are likely true. From a business perspective it has to be considerably faster than the 2080Ti or it would be a flop. It will certainly drive the prices of a 2080Ti down and this should be helpful for the 4K community overall. I'm satisfied with my 2080Ti especially when it sounds like $1400+ custom designs all over again for 3080Ti. That price point is difficult to get excited about (minus the mining craze).
Actually that's not true. Nvidia has released other video cards in the past where the top spec card of the new family is only +30% faster than the top spec card of the previous family (not including Titans) and they sold very well and they were released as a retail product. It is entirely possible based on the history of Nvidia products in the past that the new Ampere video cards could possibly only be +25% to +30% faster than Turing and still be sold as a successful product and be very profitable for the company. It does not have to be "50% faster" for Nvidia. They have no competition at the high end right now (As of typing this) and their new Ampere video cards will have zero competition on the high end when they release a few months from now. A smart thing to do from the business perspective would be to release new products only as fast over the previous one that people are willing to pay for. I'm sure if Nvidia wanted to do it they could release a card that is just +15% faster or +20% faster for first generation 7nm cards (Ampere) then the other +20% faster for the next family of 7nm (revised) products to milk more money out of their customers. There's really no reason to give us a single card that's all +40% faster in one gulp if they could split it up across two families for more profit. They may not do that this time around but as we get closer and closer to the physical limitations of silicon when they can't shrink chips any further (it's currently physically impossible to produce anything CPU, GPU, or Memory beyond 3nm for example) they'll have to stretch out their profits thinner and thinner at some point.
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For now, it is all speculation and rumour, even if it turns out to be accurate (or not). The only thing we really have 'as Ampere fact' at this stage are the official numbers from the Ampere A100 ('enterprise' model), also per Anandtech below. While the general Ampere architecture will be applied to consumer and pro_sumer cards, there will obviously be different configurations of memory (HBM2 vs GDDR6, size), and of the number of Cuda, Tensor and RT cores. The A100 is (currently at least) the flagship, with 6912 Cuda cores...earlier rumour / speculation had the full-fat GPU at 8192 Cudas, but 6912 is it, for now at least (also depending on yields, like in some previous gens where the full theoretical size was never released).

What caught my attention is the power consumption (400w @ ~ 1.41 GHz) of the 7nm A100, a lot higher than previous (12nm) gen, though it is certainly more powerful. The A100 has 54 billion transistors and is physically still humongous, even if it is 7nm. It does suggest though that the consumer and pro_sumer 7nm models will likely be quite 'toasty' and will probably benefit greatly from water-cooling. There is the related question of die shrinks focusing heat on smaller areas that are harder to cool. Finally, it will be really interesting to see how the 7nm wafer yields shape up as that will also have an impact on pricing. Personally, I couldn't be happier with my two 2080 Tis for now...but when the time comes, I hope to see some nice custom PCB factory w-cooled models on the market, perhaps in early 2021.
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