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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 02-12-2019, 05:48 PM - Thread Starter
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RTX, GTX, what is it?

Hi everyone, I need a good gaming card that will last me for years. Currently like my 8800GT, but that's going to be in the museum and its starting to crap out on me (the fan is getting weak, I have ramped it up to 91% just for the sake of keeping the temps down). I know people have told me to sit tight in the past, but boy....*looks at own card*

Cards that I have looked at are:

GTX 1070
GTX 1080
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Currently on 1680x1050 but will be moving to the 1920x1080 monitor that I got from my brother. Not sure if I am keeping it or he's letting me borrow it.

I have noticed that the 1xxx cards are priced similar to the 2xxx, only thing is that the 2xxx provides "ray tracing". Not sure if games will ever use it or will I ever use or see the difference in the future. I know the prices of the GPU has been ridiculous, but you gotta do what you gotta do right? Will prices be going down any time soon? When is it a good buy?

I know I have owned a GTX 970 in the past, but sold it to a friend. *I kind of regret it, but what's done is done. So, I like to move on.*

Any help/suggestion is deeply appreciated.

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From that list I'd go for a 1070.

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Theoretically, the RTX series (Turning) has some architectural improvements & features to justify a purchase from the last generation (Pascal) if you're looking for the best performance possible.

However, the admission price for the features, which are very poorly utilized at this time, makes the RTX series unappealing to the vast amount of users looking to upgrade from Pascal. If there was wider adoption of these features at the time of release, RTX would of been a great launch.

Given this, it's very difficult to justify the RTX series based on those features. If the RTX 2060 had 8GB of VRAM, it'd be the card to go for. Given it's similar performance to the GTX 1080. Which is still an excellent investment for 1440p / 120hz 1080p.

If you can find a great deal on a used GTX 1080, or even a GTX 1070, that would be my recommendation from Pascal.

The RTX 2070 is too expensive for it's performance and the RTX 2080 is even harder to justify.

I would not recommend buying a GPU with 6GB of VRAM. Even for 1080p. Sure, 6GB of VRAM is more than plenty for now (Heck I am using a 3GB card on 1440p). However, the next generation is just around the corner (refer to PS5 rumours) and VRAM requirements for modern titles will likely jump further. If you want ensure longevity (at least three years as a ball park number), stick to a 8GB card.

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For 1080p? I'd get a 1070 or 1060 6th for 1080p, it's very easy to run even at 144fps. Older cards can also easily run 1080p but Nvidia finally allows VRR but only as far back as Pascal. Even a 1070 is overkill for 1080p but they're pretty cheap.

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Sorry guys, I should mention that I'd like to play many of the newer games as well. For instance, Witcher 3, Resident Evil 2 (the remake), Rise/Shadow of Tomb Raider, and pretty much whatever AAA games out there that I am missing. Man, my 8800GT could play a lot but now it has run its course. I had the 670, but didn't have it too long. So can't remember what my experiences were like on the 670.

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Your only long term option from Pascal is really the GTX 1080 or 1070. Do not consider a 6GB card. You will regret it in a couple years when you'll want to run a new game with decent quality textures.

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If you want to play modern games and crank up the settings and not have to upgrade again for a few years then go gtx 1080. At this point is indistinguishable between console and pc other than the frame rate. All these new games are stepping up their graphics. Consoles are trying to reach that 4k res now. You wanna keep pace. I expect the new consoles to be faster than 1080 imo or at least on par.

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For 1080p? I'd get a 1070 or 1060 6th for 1080p, it's very easy to run even at 144fps. Older cards can also easily run 1080p but Nvidia finally allows VRR but only as far back as Pascal. Even a 1070 is overkill for 1080p but they're pretty cheap.
OP, This guy (White Owl) and I have had a going back in forth recently about a very similar system setup to yours and a GPU that is actually right in the area you are discussing. Owl has brought up some very good points to me about the generation of processors and the threading vs IPC on these. As such, I have been researching very very heavily lately on something that falls in line exactly with what your looking at.

Your going to see some saturation issues with the newer GPUs on your CPU. While you will still be able to play the newer games on these GPUs obviously, your CPU is going to struggle to fully utilize the GPU in mostly everything. After running some tests with a very heavily overclocked FX-8350 (5GHz) I noticed its inability to fully saturate my RTX2060. Which is akin in performance to the 1070TI/1080 range, with more cores than your CPU but less performance per clock.

So the main thing to consider here when making this purchase. Is to understand that your CPU isn't going to drive this GPU very well (50%-75%). You will however see very prominent changes in your user experience in image and setting qualities.

There is also another thing to consider when buying the GPU. RTX models will do nothing over the similarly performing tier GTX models for you at 1080P. The biggest draw for these models begins at the 1440P settings where technology such as DLSS can be brought into play, which we are now seeing samples of what this can really do. Ray tracing itself is disastrous to performance for all resolutions, unless it gets developed to the point its not crippling, you can almost count it out on all the models below the 2080.

Is it safe to assume that you will not be upgrading CPU or resolution at any time in the near future?
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I see. So its 8GB all the way then.

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If you want to play modern games and crank up the settings and not have to upgrade again for a few years then go gtx 1080. At this point is indistinguishable between console and pc other than the frame rate. All these new games are stepping up their graphics. Consoles are trying to reach that 4k res now. You wanna keep pace. I expect the new consoles to be faster than 1080 imo or at least on par.


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I barely put any stress on this PSU. Previous system in the past, I ran was an AMD 64x2 5000+ with this 8800GT. Nothing else, except with the usual hard drives, fans, etc. No watercooling, SLI, whatever fancy etc. Now with this rig in the sig, I am not even close to pushing it. Do you think I still need to get a new PSU? Just wondering.

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OP, This guy (White Owl) and I have had a going back in forth recently about a very similar system setup to yours and a GPU that is actually right in the area you are discussing. Owl has brought up some very good points to me about the generation of processors and the threading vs IPC on these. As such, I have been researching very very heavily lately on something that falls in line exactly with what your looking at.

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So the main thing to consider here when making this purchase. Is to understand that your CPU isn't going to drive this GPU very well (50%-75%). You will however see very prominent changes in your user experience in image and setting qualities.

There is also another thing to consider when buying the GPU. RTX models will do nothing over the similarly performing tier GTX models for you at 1080P. The biggest draw for these models begins at the 1440P settings where technology such as DLSS can be brought into play, which we are now seeing samples of what this can really do. Ray tracing itself is disastrous to performance for all resolutions, unless it gets developed to the point its not crippling, you can almost count it out on all the models below the 2080.

Is it safe to assume that you will not be upgrading CPU or resolution at any time in the near future?
I don't think I will be upgrading my CPU/Mobo any time in the near future. I really love this system too much and have stuck with it since 2012, lol. In fact, I'll probably stick with it until it dies, lol.


And lastly, thank you everyone for the replies! Really appreciate you guys helping me out. So thank you.

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