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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 04-29-2019, 06:30 AM
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Easy look at monitoring of your hardware and you will see where the bottleneck is in what application. Also if you're not experiencing it being too slow then it probably doesn't bother you. Sort of a why upgrade to a 1000HP golfcart if you're gonna drive around at 10km/h and chill.

All the pre Haswell CPUs are getting quite snail now, especially pre Sandy/Ivy.

RAM is not cheap, it's only not as overpriced as it was a year ago with their purposeful shortage.

It's all about $ in the end, what you want to and can upgrade.
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Full upgrade or only GPU? Bottleneck?

I don’t know about bottleneck on X58 right now....at least for me with Xeon instead of i7 cpu. I ran some more tests with the RTX2080 and in Unigibe tests, it’s kicking my 1080Ti with 7700K....maybe if I had a 8700K cpu it would be higher, but with video cards right now, I’m not seeing any bottleneck. I do have the CPU OCed at 4.4Ghz, which is where I’ll leave it for now, but my 7700K normally is OCed to 4.8Ghz, and even at that, not seeing much difference. There are newer features in the z270 & z370 mobos I have, but in all, actual running-wise, wasn’t that much of a difference.


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You can get a 1700x and a taichi 370, for around $ 400. Ram would probably be the most expense. 32 Gb of Flair 3200 is about $320. That should handle any GPU or pair of GPUs. Could even overclock it some. If your old PWR supply does 850 watts or a bit more could do fine with 2 GPUS. I am running a Crosshair VI, GTX 690, Flair 2400, overclocked 1600 and a 700 watt power supply. So far no need to change other than GPU envy. I have a spare 1000 watt PWR supply but the 700 is good enough. Pretty sure it can deal with a any GTX or Vega as is, or with two with 1000 watts PWR.

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nvm. Saw your other thread.

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People always say to wait because the next gen is alway better. Well now you have to pay 800 dollars for a card that performs similar to the 1080ti which could be bought for 500 before it was discontinued last year.

I say get a used 1080ti and a used i7 6700k + mobo + ram. If you want to buy new stuff then get the i7 8700k and a 2080. These items will hold up a few years as did the former genration cards and cpus from intel/nvidia. It is good to wait but you don't need to wait because the prformance increase between generations are getting smaller and the prices is getting higher. I all depends on what you want to spend, even a z77 mobo and i7 3770k will be a big upgrade and maybe a used 980ti which performs the same as the rtx 2070 that costs 500 dollars.

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People always say to wait because the next gen is alway better. Well now you have to pay 800 dollars for a card that performs similar to the 1080ti which could be bought for 500 before it was discontinued last year.

I say get a used 1080ti and a used i7 6700k + mobo + ram. If you want to buy new stuff then get the i7 8700k and a 2080. These items will hold up a few years as did the former genration cards and cpus from intel/nvidia. It is good to wait but you don't need to wait because the prformance increase between generations are getting smaller and the prices is getting higher. I all depends on what you want to spend, even a z77 mobo and i7 3770k will be a big upgrade and maybe a used 980ti which performs the same as the rtx 2070 that costs 500 dollars.
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I have tried gpu rendering (vray and indigo) on a mining rig with 8x1080ti. It had 8gb ddr4 + i3 7100 + all gpus connected by mining riser card which work at PCIe 2.0x1. Trust me there was only 10-15% performance drop in rendering performance because of poor cpu and lesser PCIe bandwidth. But it was still much cheaper than getting dual xeon rig with 80 PCie 3.0 lanes..
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I'm in the same boat sorta. I have an 930 running at 4Ghz. I upgraded from a 290 to a GTX 1080 Ti. While this does the job, I have some slight bottlenecks at 4K with some games. Don't get me wrong I sitll get ~55 most times but I can get higher frames with newer architecture. I also want to play in 3D and some games in 3D need stronger single thread performance

I'd wait for Zen 2. thats what I am doing.

I wouldn't go the Xeon route. Many people told me but It seems like a waste of time for me as my issue is not core count and you still get old technology.

But if you're gaming at 1440p or lower a 930 will defintely bottleneck cards around the tier of a 1080 Ti

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Opening this thread up again. Thanks for the replies so far.

After a lot of looking around and trying to decide on the best build, I'm putting the new build on hold until after Computex so I at least know where I stand with some things and getting the best performance I can afford.

I've been looking at my current rig and am wanting to do as best as I can bang for buck for a worthwhile upgrade that can serve as a second system to aid in rendering for my new build once I get it.

Please note these systems aren't for gaming.

I found the Xeon X5675 here at such a good price.

My plan is to also go water only for CPU (I want to water cool my new build so this is nice practice for me) and overclock to 4.5 - 5Ghz.

My current card is the ATI 5870 which needs to go as I can't even utilise GPU rendering with it.

I've been looking a lot into what GPU to get and I narrowed it down to the following:

GTX 1070
GTX 1070 TI
RTX 2060

Those cards at those specific links are all within the same price range and I'm finding it hard to decide on things for a few reasons:

1 - They are PCI 3.0 and my board is only 2.0 - I know that a 16x 2.0 is essentially an 8x 3.0? How much performance loss will there be?
2 - Are they even going to be compatible with my Asus P6TD Deluxe? I've looked around... lots of users having issues and lots of users having success on their X58 boards so I'm sceptical.
3 - The RTX 2060 looks great for a one GPU setup and utilises new tech, has faster memory and actually performs well in Redshift benchmarks as seen here ... I guess the 1070 TI would be my ideal choice performance wise but the second-hand thing bothers me. That eBay listing says it's only 6 months old and there's a 6 month seller warranty (not sure what that actually means). It is also cheaper than both the new 2060 and 1070.
4 - In GPU rendering, it's recommended that you have double the amount of RAM to VRAM. I have 12GB and have looked into getting more RAM but I don't think the price warrants it for this rig.
5 - Is it even worth considering a modern card like one of these with the Xeon X5675 and my mobo?

I want to make sure I get the best bang for buck performance upgrade with this rig as I will be getting a brand new latest spec system later also.

I've considered going with a newer mobo with PCI 3.0 etc... but I just don't see it being worth it at the price it would cost compared to what I'm considering with the Xeon.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ezveedub View Post
I don’t know about bottleneck on X58 right now....at least for me with Xeon instead of i7 cpu. I ran some more tests with the RTX2080 and in Unigibe tests, it’s kicking my 1080Ti with 7700K....maybe if I had a 8700K cpu it would be higher, but with video cards right now, I’m not seeing any bottleneck. I do have the CPU OCed at 4.4Ghz, which is where I’ll leave it for now, but my 7700K normally is OCed to 4.8Ghz, and even at that, not seeing much difference. There are newer features in the z270 & z370 mobos I have, but in all, actual running-wise, wasn’t that much of a difference.
Really interesting - this is why I'm considering what I've spoken about above.

Any help/advise would be great right now - I've done so much reading and looking around trying to decide and it's time to make a decision. I can't currently utilise my machine for what I want to do so it's holding me back purely because of the GPU ... so the GPU is my main blocker. Thanks again!

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