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post #11 of 43 (permalink) Old 07-11-2019, 06:37 PM - Thread Starter
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The comments from this review are 100% brutal. Laughable at times. I got a swath of them but there is plenty more.
I can't say for certain if this is who they are talking about. However, I did see it mentioned a few times calling a disconnect between the actual results and the recommendation (Nvidia).


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Rumours have been circulating regarding NVIDIA paying reviewers to favour their GPUs in the NAVI reviews and after watching this again, it does feel kinda sketchy. Here he is not talking about the price to performance AMD offers where the NAVI cards are shadowed by him constantly talking about ray tracing and how AMD "is not quite there yet", but it is obvious that AMD right now 5% within NVIDIA being $100 cheaper. I have always been on team green and was about to by the 2070 Super, however AMD wins in here with the 5700 xt costing $100 dollars less than a 2070 super and $300 less than a 1080ti with performance within 5%. Ray tracing is the new technology that will be in mainstream games from now on, but right now the technology has not matured yet to efficient. Therefore, reasons to buy the RTX cards are not strong enough right now, buy this may change from NVIDIAS 30 series. When I first watched this video something felt off and after seeing the rumours I'm pretty certain this channel is being influenced by NVIDIA. It's a shame tech channels have come to this.

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This is some awfully conspiracy theory nonsense.


The second video seems biased in of itself, and reminds me of pyramid scheme style arguments.


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Need to spend less time on youtube and more time on reputable reviewers' sites such as tomshw.de (IgorsLab) where they have Navi at 2.2GHz , Techspot , and Computerbase. Most Asian sites also give Navi a fair assessment. The problem is those YouTube people need to make sensational stories to get clicks.

Anyway, their argument is the tech press isn't giving Navi a fair assessment. If you look at the numbers the Navi RX 5700 XT performs roughly on par with RTX 2070 Super for $100 less and the RX 5700 is on par with RTX 2060 Super. Once you add in $50 for an aftermarket cooler the price/performance numbers skew towards Nvidia. The raytracing and tensor cores also skew towards Nvidia.


The issue with Radeon Anti-lag and Image sharpening is that it hasn't been thoroughly tested yet and Anti-lag is supposedly coming to Vega and older GCN cards. RTX cores are still RTX card exclusive , even if it is just Nvidia branding for DXR acceleration oriented cores.


Until we get partner cards I'd say the assessment of Navi is fair. It is unreasonable to expect people to put up with ineffective blowers that in some cases stall the card (LinusTechTips) or just make it run hotter than it should. When Sapphire Nitro+ / VaporX, XFX, Powercolor , Asrock Phantom Gaming X, MSI Gaming X / EVOKE / ARMOR cards, ASUS STRIX, and Gigabyte AORUS cards come along and they STILL have the same assessment that Navi is not a great purchase then I'd probably reevaluate where I'm reading reviews.

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Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
Need to spend less time on youtube and more time on reputable reviewers' sites such as tomshw.de (IgorsLab) where they have Navi at 2.2GHz , Techspot , and Computerbase. Most Asian sites also give Navi a fair assessment. The problem is those YouTube people need to make sensational stories to get clicks.

Anyway, their argument is the tech press isn't giving Navi a fair assessment. If you look at the numbers the Navi RX 5700 XT performs roughly on par with RTX 2070 Super for $100 less and the RX 5700 is on par with RTX 2060 Super. Once you add in $50 for an aftermarket cooler the price/performance numbers skew towards Nvidia. The raytracing and tensor cores also skew towards Nvidia.


The issue with Radeon Anti-lag and Image sharpening is that it hasn't been thoroughly tested yet and Anti-lag is supposedly coming to Vega and older GCN cards. RTX cores are still RTX card exclusive , even if it is just Nvidia branding for DXR acceleration oriented cores.


Until we get partner cards I'd say the assessment of Navi is fair. It is unreasonable to expect people to put up with ineffective blowers that in some cases stall the card (LinusTechTips) or just make it run hotter than it should. When Sapphire Nitro+ / VaporX, XFX, Powercolor , Asrock Phantom Gaming X, MSI Gaming X / EVOKE / ARMOR cards, ASUS STRIX, and Gigabyte AORUS cards come along and they STILL have the same assessment that Navi is not a great purchase then I'd probably reevaluate where I'm reading reviews.
I would of preferred the Radeon VII ship with a blower but I'm sure they shipped it with an axial cooler to prevent users like myself from throwing in 4 of these in a box.

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I would of preferred the Radeon VII ship with a blower but I'm sure they shipped it with an axial cooler to prevent users like myself from throwing in 4 of these in a box.
Should be watercooling if using 4 , the TDP is too high to expect to be air cooling it with a feasible RPM.

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Is that also your view on the Radeon VII?
At least with Radeon VII I could somewhat justify it with the 16GB HBM2 (unmatched by any non-Titan class nVidia card).

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Should be watercooling if using 4 , the TDP is too high to expect to be air cooling it with a feasible RPM.
I wouldn't have an issue cooling four of these in a rack with the power limit set to default(250w) the card would average around 270w. They won't be near anyone to bother.

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This is some awfully conspiracy theory nonsense.


The second video seems biased in of itself, and reminds me of pyramid scheme style arguments.


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Bulldozoer's epic fail didn't really affect 290X at all, and Ryzen was not eclipsed by the continued lack of success in the post-Fury era. Whoever made that chart must've been high on some really strong stuff.

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At least this thread is highly threaded so a Ryzen CPU will be perfect.

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