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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 12-10-2018, 04:33 PM - Thread Starter
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GPU: RX 580 or GTX 1070?

I know they are not in the 'same league' - the GTX 1070 outperforms it but actually, the RX 580 looks like it holds its own pretty well. I'm talking about the 8gb versions. I'm looking at used cards, btw. Prices are approx. $250 vs $350 (so about $100 difference) - the Nvidia card, I don't know if I can talk the seller down so I thought I'd go with a $100, assumed, difference. The AMD card is on ebay. I have found it through private sellers in which I'd have to travel - I don't know if that's a good idea or not. Do you guys do it? It would probably add $20 - $40 to the card for travel funds.

Here's the reasoning behind considering these two cards:
RX 580 - open source drivers with Linux and Hackintosh , decent performance in Windows 10
GTX 1070 - pretty good used prices right now - good performance if I can find it at that used price?

That's pretty much it.

I have a few other questions and want advice on my perceptions:
The Nvidia card looks like it has slightly higher temps - higher cpu usage..... interesting (am I correct?) - power consumption is much lower though - every review seems to indicate this - youtube videos in which these cards are tested against each other shows the cpu usage info (in which I made my conclusions)

AMD card - lower temps, but, seems like cpu temps and usage is lower, too....not sure why that is..... - this is based on one youtube video in which both cards are tested...do you think that is accurate?

I think the AMD card is operating at a lower temp than the 1070 (maybe that is expected) and most reviews show this (again).

I have some co-workers who are gamers and all of them buy Nvidia cards.... also, online, when I run into gamers and discuss cards - most are Nvidia card users...

A few Linux users swear by AMD cards - the driver support is better..... I dual boot Windows and Linux....

I don't know if I should let that sway my decision in one direction or the other.... I just thought I'd compare between these two cards..I was trying to budget around $300-ish and one card is a bit over and one is a bit under - but, that is if I buy the card used.

Thanks for any replies and advice/recommendations. My first graphics card post?????!?

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is vega 56 an option

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Wait for CES if AMD is chosen. If any of the leaks are remotely true the next gen cards will be what the 500 cards should have been at least and consume less power on top of that. I have owned the Asus Strix GTX 1060 6GB and own a Asus Strix RX 580 8GB and they were pretty much neck and neck. Power consumption is hands down a big check in Nvidia's box. From what I seen and looked at a GTX 1070 is a fine 1440p card and can get you in the door at 4K. I just can't recommend Nvidia after GeForce Partner Program not matter how good the performance is. But I won't ignore the facts of performance of the cards either.

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is vega 56 an option
Rarely is available used from what I see..... saw one $50 more than the 1070 ($400). I doubt it will be an option.

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GTX 1070 is nearly twice faster on paper due to double the ROPs (render backend).


In practice the GTX 1070 is about +50% vs RX 580.


https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...enchmarks-7001
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...vs-rx-580-7001
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...enchmarks-7001


You would want to compare RX VEGA 56 on efficiency mode (~150W power limit for GPU core section) with GTX 1070.
RX 470 = 2048 shader, 128 TMU, 32 ROP ---> ~4.9 TFLOPs, 154.4 GTexel/s, 38.59 GPixel/s
RX 480 = 2304 shader, 144 TMU, 32 ROP ---> ~ 5.8 TFLOPs , 182.3 GTexel/s, 40.51 GPixel/s
RX 580 = 2304 shader, 144 TMU , 32 ROP ---> ~ 6 TFLOPs , 193.0 GTexel/s, 42.88 GPixel/s

GTX 1060 3GB = 1152 shader, 72 TMU, 48 ROP --> ~4TFLOPs , 123.0 GTexel/s , 81.98 GPixel/s
GTX 1060 6GB = 1280 shader, 80 TMU, 48 ROP --> ~4.4TFLOPs , 136.7 GTexel/s , 82.03 GPixel/s

GTX 1070 = 1920 shader, 120 TMU, 64 ROP ---> ~6.5 TFLOPs , 202.0 GTexel/s ,107.7 GPixel/s
RX VEGA 56 = 3584 shader, 224 TMU, 64 ROP ---> ~ 10.5 TFLOPs , 330.2 GTexel/s, 94.34 GPixel/s


In terms of valuation, I wouldn't pay more than $200 for a RX 580 8GB or $350 for a GTX 1070 8GB with aftermarket cooler. The RX480 8GB has been around $180 before the RX 580 launch, RX 580 8GB has been solidly under $200, GTX 1070 has been seen at ~$300.


For example, see this new, Gaming ACX base model version of GTX 1070 for $310 at eBay off EVGA's official account:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForc...R/264077714466


Unless you feel the new 1920 CUDA RTX 2060 supposedly coming is going to be slower than a GTX 1070 or cost a lot more, then I don't think the $310 GTX 1070 is a bad bet.


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I got RX 580 for $120 and it runs really good for 1440p. Exceeded my expectations entirely. But yeah you should wait for CES, if you can't wait, just get a 580 and save a bit of money for the crazy stuff that's about to be released.

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If i have to pick one from the both then I will definitely go for GTX 1070, it worth to pay 100$ extra for 1070 as your are getting almost twice performance with 1070
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So what did you end up getting.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bradleym View Post
If i have to pick one from the both then I will definitely go for GTX 1070, it worth to pay 100$ extra for 1070 as your are getting almost twice performance with 1070
It's $150-$250 more. You can find 580s for $100 nowadays. It's only 50% more performance. If you crossfire 2 rx580s you have better performance than a 1080ti.

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