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Why are AMDs drivers still so bad?

I only game a few hours a week and when I do I generally just play titles like Fortnite or PoE.

However I couldn't bare the random lags in fortnite and the massive stuttering issues in PoE with my AMD RX 480 8GB.

While I barely play, my seven year old son plays Fortnite quite a bit and when I watched him play he kept having random freezing issues too. It never mattered what I did, fresh install, windows beta or retail (Windows has it's own problems like being unable to launch the game with the latest beta). However the graphical issues I was having were immediately and completely solved by going to Best Buy and getting a MSI TF7 1660 Ti.

Fortnite now runs smooth as silk without any issues and in my few minutes of testing PoE I could no longer reproduce the stuttering issue I had with the RX 480.

What gives? The GTX 1660 Ti isn't even that much faster than the RX 480 and I kept all the settings exactly the same. Heck, I didn't even uninstall the AMD drivers I just hot swapped it and after a few minutes of a black screen I had a driver installed and went to the website installed the latest and loaded up the games. My son has been playing Fortnite for several hours and he told me the lag was gone. I watched him for several minutes because I found the card barely turning on the fans and using less than half the power of the RX 480 (VSynced @ 60 FPS) was impressive enough but I just loaded up PoE for about 20 minutes and had no stuttering issues anymore either.

I find it hard to believe I'm the only one who experiences issues with AMDs cards. I've tested 4 AMD cards because that's how many I had for mining, two 8GB RX 480s a 4GB RX 480 and a RX 570 8GB. Everyone of them had the same problem. I'm kind of at a loss here, it just seems weird I'm the only one with this problem.

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You're not alone. I avoid AMD GPUs because I can't stand their drivers. Other than for HWBOT, the last AMD GPU I owned was a 7870.

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This is the sole reason I went for Nvidia, even though I didn’t want to pay their prices.

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Years ago I would always go for AMD video cards, but not now. I had several of them from 4000 to 6000 series, the 6990 dual GPU and two at that. They always had stuttering under load. Been on Nvidia ever since that time. I actually installed the old 6990 back recently for the hell of it to see if it works with a z390/9900K...it does work, but with coil whine and micro stuttering still when running some old gaming benchmarks.

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As someone who has equivalent GPUs from both sides across multiple generations, I can say with confidence that what you guys are saying is simply not the case. AMD drivers have almost always been superior to Nvidia's, aside from a short window of time a LONG time ago.

Nvidia excels at pushing out updates for new high profile games at or before launch, so if you're the type who absolutely must preorder every new game and play it on day 1 and then never touch it again in the future, yeah, then and only then could you make an argument in favor of Nvidia drivers.

There are many things one side does better than the other and your particular usage may skew your opinion in either direction but saying AMD has worse overall drivers in 2019 than Nvidia is completely uninformed at best and in most cases pure FUD.

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Why are AMDs drivers still so bad?

Quote: Originally Posted by Zero4549 View Post
As someone who has equivalent GPUs from both sides across multiple generations, I can say with confidence that what you guys are saying is simply not the case. AMD drivers have almost always been superior to Nvidia's, aside from a short window of time a LONG time ago.



Nvidia excels at pushing out updates for new high profile games at or before launch, so if you're the type who absolutely must preorder every new game and play it on day 1 and then never touch it again in the future, yeah, then and only then could you make an argument in favor of Nvidia drivers.



There are many things one side does better than the other and your particular usage may skew your opinion in either direction but saying AMD has worse overall drivers in 2019 than Nvidia is completely uninformed at best and in most cases pure FUD.


Ain’t changing my mind...you can keep AMD graphic cards...mine are door stops right now. I even looked at some benchmark reviews on YouTube recently and still same the AMD card was stuttering in the test reviews.


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I've been using AMD cards since the HD 4xxx era, went to nVidia back in the GTX 4xx and 5xx era only to get blue screens and crashes all the time. Currently using a RX 550 since 2017, no problems with drivers at all, in fact, the current AMD drivers is miles better than nVidia's in features.
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"I can say that your opinion is totally wrong, and here is my opinion which is indisputably true." - Zero4549, June 2019
There have been countless threads right here on OCN that support what he said.

Did the initial poster try anything at all before returning the card ? Anything at all?



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There have been countless threads right here on OCN that support what he said.

Cool, I guess?

I never had any performance issues with AMD hardware, I just don't like their driver. How many people agree or disagree with me isn't gonna make me change my mind, lol.

OP had the problem with multiple cards, so it's more than likely not the hardware's fault.

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