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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 10-18-2019, 10:51 AM - Thread Starter
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Lower GPU performance with Windows 10 1903 ?

I wasn't sure where to put this thread, however yesterday I upgraded from windows 10 build 1809 to windows 10 build 1903 on my main rig, and after doing som testing with 3Dmark Time Spy and other benchmarks I found myself with lower GPU performance than usual ?.

I checked my OC settings on the cards (RTX 2080Ti NVlink SLI) and they were just fine and what they have been set at for months now. I then updated from Forceware 430.86 to the latest Forceware 436.48 but that didn't help at all.

Usually I would get around 22'200 in Time Spy standard total score, the GPU score around 26'700 and CPU score around 11'300.
However now I get around 21'500, the GPU score is around 25'900 now, so around 800 points lower, and the CPU score is still around 11'300.

The total score in Time Spy Extreme however only differs between 11'100 and 11'050, so here it doesn't seem to loose any significant GPU performance (both around 13'900 GPU score).

Testing CPU performance with CPU-Z and Cinebench R15 and R20, showed pretty much the same results, seemingly unaffected by the update.

I've tested in AC Odyssey, Far Cry New Dawn, COD WW2, BF5, Control, Wolfenstein Youngblood, Anno 1800 and 4 of the games show about 3~5FPS loss while the others remain untouched.
Have some of you experience the same behavior in performance loss ?.

I will admit that the update to 1903 wasn't without issues. I realized that the new update yet again bricked any overclock settings on the X99 platform with a Broadwell-E CPU, so insted og 4.2GHz my CPU was running 3.5GHz. However "luckily" I found out MSI had released a Beta BIOS to the X99 platform to yet again update the microcode, so overclocking was possible. So naturally I flashed to the new Beta BIOS and I got my 4.2GHz back again.

I am really wondering if all these Intel security patches and fixes to both the OS and the BIOS, are starting to hurt the overall combined performance of my system.

My wife's PC with X99 and a Haswell-E i7 5960X had no issues running build 1903 (just like the previous ones, no Intel bug or microcode update needed on those cpu's) and even her 2x RTX 2080 NVlink SLi cards with and outdated forceware 417 driver experienced a 200point performance boost in 3Dmark Time Spy going from a total of 18'200 to 18'400points.


I am a confused man....

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It's probably the Intel security BIOS update causing the performance loss.

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Quote: Originally Posted by wingman99 View Post
It's probably the Intel security BIOS update causing the performance loss.

You may have a point. Like the OP, I am also running 2080 TI NVlink, but on a AMD Threadripper platform. The Win 10 update to 1903 had no performance impacts whatsoever on TimeSpy and other 3DM which I usually track closely even re. new GPU drivers.
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It's probably the Intel security BIOS update causing the performance loss.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG]
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It's probably the Intel security BIOS update causing the performance loss.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG]

You may have a point. Like the OP, I am also running 2080 TI NVlink, but on a AMD Threadripper platform. The Win 10 update to 1903 had no performance impacts whatsoever on TimeSpy and other 3DM which I usually track closely even re. new GPU drivers.
Yea it could probably be that... with build 1909 in sight I yet again wonder if that will screw with intel micro codes and bork the PC possibilities yet again.

Perhaps it is time to look at replacing my main rig with X570 and a Ryzen 9 3950X or 3900X after New Year. I have the 3900X in an ITX build and it a great cpu, but the 6950X does keep up with it in the cpu bound scenarios.

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Just uninstall those damn patches. Who cares if someone can locally hack your cpu... if they bypass the human firewall chance is they might aswell stole the PC itself and other stuff.
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Yea it could probably be that... with build 1909 in sight I yet again wonder if that will screw with intel micro codes and bork the PC possibilities yet again.

Perhaps it is time to look at replacing my main rig with X570 and a Ryzen 9 3950X or 3900X after New Year. I have the 3900X in an ITX build and it a great cpu, but the 6950X does keep up with it in the cpu bound scenarios.

I'd be willing to bet the only time your 6950X is winning against a 3900X is in games that aren't AMD friendly. A 3700X OCed to the silicon limit (ask @Serious_Don but I think @ 4.5?) hangs with my 9900K @ 5.0.

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I'd be willing to bet the only time your 6950X is winning against a 3900X is in games that aren't AMD friendly. A 3700X OCed to the silicon limit (ask @Serious_Don but I think @ 4.5?) hangs with my 9900K @ 5.0.
That is because you don't run a RTX 2080ti with 1920x1080 240Hz the i9 9900k 5.0GHz would kill the 3700x OCed.

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That is because you don't run a RTX 2080ti with 1920x1080 240Hz the i9 9900k 5.0GHz would kill the 3700x OCed.

why not also grab a DFI Lanparty and a 3000+ to really live out the 2007 nostalgia?

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Mar 8, 2019 NVIDIA Study Reveals 1920x1080p 240Hz Gives You Edge in Battle Royale LINK: https://www.blurbusters.com/nvidia-s...battle-royale/

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Mar 8, 2019 NVIDIA Study Reveals 240Hz Gives You Edge in Battle Royale LINK: https://www.blurbusters.com/nvidia-s...battle-royale/

well if NVIDIA said it then it's gotta be true, they're not selling GPUs or monitors with G-Sync certification and they take all my best interests to heart.

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