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Can it run... VR???

I'm in the process of building a (budget) gaming rig. Just curious what upgrades would be needed in order for it to handle VR titles (Obduction, Skyrim VR, etc). 2nd time builder, so any help is appreciated....

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What is your budget?

I can't really recommend building a setup like that right now, no sorry. It has First gen Ryzen and we are on 3rd gen now.


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Doing decent VR for less than $600 in the box is probably not good. The headsets have to drive two tiny displays at 90 Hz so it's effectively 2 monitors at high resolution at high refresh rate, I'd almost suggest you go Intel for this because of the better overclockability but if you don't plan to do that then, Ryzen is better.

Still anything less than a 1660 SUPER, 2060, RX 5700 is not advisable for VR- most people get motion sickness pretty bad if the computer can't drive the two displays to that high rate and keep it there.

EDIT: I'd also really highly suggest saving more as the one you planned might run VR games for a short time like 6mo-a year okay and then later on you find out new games for it on SteamVR will run slow, choppy etc. Wait another month if you have to

You could try the used market like Ebay or Amazon for a GTX 1060, clock the hell out of it and it might still do it though and then my build would be around the same price probably as a GTX 1060 is like under $100 now.

Hope this build helps you, you'll be buying something that was midrange in 2017 if you build that system you planned.

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you can probably do just about the most basic vr games maybe. you'd have a hard time playing at decent 1080p frame rate on new titles.


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Quote: Originally Posted by manolith View Post
you can probably do just about the most basic vr games maybe. you'd have a hard time playing at decent 1080p frame rate on new titles.
+1

Ideally you want a GPU that can drive 1440p 90Hz no problem and until this generation, midrange cards $200-$300 price point could struggle in some games at 1080p 60 Hz (like SOTTR on RX 580, R9 380X etc.) A GTX 1060 does better but it cant do 1440p 60hz even and that was a $220 card or whatever a few years back.

1660 Super, 1660, 2060 etc. could all do it no problem.

And then there's the first gen Ryzen performance thing at 1080p as well as 1440p high refresh.

For awesome Beat Saber or whatever you need a $800 box minimum, and aren't HTC Vives still like $800? Oculus is cheaper but really buggy afaik.

I'd almost suggest just getting a PS4 + PSVR bundle instead as its by far the cheapest entry level VR device.

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What is your budget?

I can't really recommend building a setup like that right now, no sorry. It has First gen Ryzen and we are on 3rd gen now.


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Doing decent VR for less than $600 in the box is probably not good. The headsets have to drive two tiny displays at 90 Hz so it's effectively 2 monitors at high resolution at high refresh rate, I'd almost suggest you go Intel for this because of the better overclockability but if you don't plan to do that then, Ryzen is better.

Still anything less than a 1660 SUPER, 2060, RX 5700 is not advisable for VR- most people get motion sickness pretty bad if the computer can't drive the two displays to that high rate and keep it there.

EDIT: I'd also really highly suggest saving more as the one you planned might run VR games for a short time like 6mo-a year okay and then later on you find out new games for it on SteamVR will run slow, choppy etc. Wait another month if you have to

You could try the used market like Ebay or Amazon for a GTX 1060, clock the hell out of it and it might still do it though and then my build would be around the same price probably as a GTX 1060 is like under $100 now.

Hope this build helps you, you'll be buying something that was midrange in 2017 if you build that system you planned.

OK... would this be a significant upgrade? Its only $65 more than I paid for the 1600 AF and it is 2nd gen... or would it be better to spend the $$ on a better GPU if I had to pick one or the other?

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-2...kTYj7fLafWbyCI


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OK... would this be a significant upgrade? Its only $65 more than I paid for the 1600 AF and it is 2nd gen... or would it be better to spend the $$ on a better GPU if I had to pick one or the other?

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-2...kTYj7fLafWbyCI


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its better. i cant help but to recommend a used gtx1080. i have seen them on ebay as low as $250.


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+1

Ideally you want a GPU that can drive 1440p 90Hz no problem and until this generation, midrange cards $200-$300 price point could struggle in some games at 1080p 60 Hz (like SOTTR on RX 580, R9 380X etc.) A GTX 1060 does better but it cant do 1440p 60hz even and that was a $220 card or whatever a few years back.

1660 Super, 1660, 2060 etc. could all do it no problem.

And then there's the first gen Ryzen performance thing at 1080p as well as 1440p high refresh.

For awesome Beat Saber or whatever you need a $800 box minimum, and aren't HTC Vives still like $800? Oculus is cheaper but really buggy afaik.

I'd almost suggest just getting a PS4 + PSVR bundle instead as its by far the cheapest entry level VR device.

Hope this helps
Eh, Beat Saber is extremely easy to run. Ran it just fine with a 8350 and 290x so circa 2012-2013 hardware.. Current VR system of mine has a FX-9590 and Vega56 (soon to be Vega64) and it's handled everything fine.


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Got it, I've never used VR on my system at all and had no idea, but it still doesn't change my recommendation for minimum spec.

If it were an older card on an older (but still zippy) platform like Kaby, Skylake i5-6600k etc. I'd say you could skimp, but Ryzen can have issues with high framerates.

If the system runs the new Half Life VR thing or not at 90fps (it probably will not based on the demo I saw) is a different story.

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I'm new to VR. I can say that once a game stutters or doesn't stay smooth that is when I start getting sick. Don't want to invest and realize you made a mistake later.
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I'm new to VR. I can say that once a game stutters or doesn't stay smooth that is when I start getting sick. Don't want to invest and realize you made a mistake later.
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