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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 12-20-2018, 11:28 PM - Thread Starter
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Built my pc this time last year, finally decided to try and play with OC. 8600k / evga GTX1070ti / 16g of i dont even remember what kind of ram but something like 3600 with really nice lat numbers, asrock z370 extreme4 mb. You can probably tell already, im quite the amateur at this stuff. After reading up, i was able to get my processor to 4.8 at 1.28v 4.9 at 1.31, but even throwing 1.36 at it i crash almost instantly at 5ghz(hits 87 pretty quick there too). Its stable and cool at 4.8 running ~73c max. Ive been having issues with evga precision, why i didnt play with overclocking till now in fact. I did the auto tune, and it gave me a very conservative 100/150. That said, i got a noticable drop in frames. IE LoL dropped from 240ish to like 170ish. This time around i installed afterburner, now i am hitting 400+, but only sometimes, with a 220 / 450 OC, max voltage. 225 is buggy, 230 crashes, but 220 seems stable running kombuster for 20 minutes. GPU temps NEVER go over 71. I play Wow on a private server, 1.12 patch. Min graphics or max im 50-55 fps. doesnt matter if its low res or 1440, looking up, 55fps, v sync on or off makes no difference.

In a nutshell, i got 5x the difference going xmp on the ram and OC the cpu than i did overclocking the gpu, in fact, its hard to tell in game whether the gpu settings are even making a difference, but i do get less frame drops. According to kombuster, my gpu OC is good for about 25fps running furmark, 155-180, but just like in league, only sometimes. I open it one time, 155-160, another 175-180, its not making sense, i dont understand why its not pushing it harder. GPUz says my clock,ram and voltage are maxxed in any game. You would think that a 1070ti could do better than my old 2.4 pentium, 3g ram, 512gpu build back in 2003.

Is there something obvious i should check, or that im doing wrong? If you guys need better specs just let me know, pita to dig my case out of my desk, but i will if need be.

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The most overlooked and forgotten part of any computer is the PSU and unfortunately way too many people cheap out and buy a crappy PSU because they dont know any better or dont care
That matters a lot if you are overclocking and especially new PC builders make that mistake, that or they buy the bigest unit money can buy

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Quote: Originally Posted by shilka View Post
The most overlooked and forgotten part of any computer is the PSU and unfortunately way too many people cheap out and buy a crappy PSU because they dont know any better or dont care
That matters a lot if you are overclocking and especially new PC builders make that mistake, that or they buy the bigest unit money can buy
My bad, its an evga 650 G2 80 gold, by multiple calculators, it should be enough to OC with sli if i choose to go that way.
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Nothing wrong with the G2 its a little old but still very good

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Which leads to exactly why i bought it, quality psu, quite cheap. I went at this build as I want a very good computer with upgrade potential on a "budget", which was about $1300, not counting peripherals. I spent money where i felt it needed spent, within reason, IE 8600k / 1070ti, but not 8700k 1080ti, 16g ram vs 32, 512gb ssd, vs 2tb m.2, etc. Parts i bought were cheap, and black friday, but good parts that would pair well in the instances of quad channel and sli. The 8600 may not be the best processor, but its great for gaming, and if its great for gaming, it works for facebook and youtube, which is good enough for me.
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Pulled up some more bits. The cooler is a cryorig h5 or h7, i cant be sure. The ram is TridentZ 3200 14-14-14-34 2x8g xmp 2.0 ready, which is what im running, not actually overclocked on the ram. Monitor is a dell sd2417 or something, 24" 1440 @ 144hz, 165hz oc. Right out of the box it doesnt have memory, i get solid color flashes, always have to reset settings after rebooting, and the customer support is hot garbage. I also flashed the lastest mb bios from 1.10 to 3.20 as some reading led me to believe thats could be attributing to being unstable trying to run xmp with the ram. For those that are interested, the case is a dirt cheap vivo that looked alright to me, meaning its black, has a blue fan in the grille, flows well, no glass, front panel has usb 3.0 slots and SD readers, and a few places for extra fans, 140mm side panel, 3 120s in the front, 120mm exhaust. Currently im actually only runninng intakes on the front and side as i goobered my connector for my exhaust fan.

I just checked again in league, played a couple games to get a feel for avg fps, reset GPU back to stock via afterburner. Played a couple more. The OC either gains me nothing if not lowers frames. Did i just get the shaft from the lottery? I feel like my numbers im getting for a stable oc are on par with average, but why am i not seeing any gains.


In the future for growth, im considering sli 1070ti, or getting a new card with the new architecture, 2 more 8g sticks of the same memory, a 1440 37" ultra wide, or 4k 28" or so. No plans to upgrade cooling other than fixing my exhaust fan, and maybe adding another front intake.
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Dont bother with SLI its a waste of time and money buy a better single GPU instead
As for a 28 inch 4K display thats a little bit too small for 4K and a 30 or 32 inch would be much better as the pixel density is not as compressed

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Dont bother with SLI its a waste of time and money buy a better single GPU instead
As for a 28 inch 4K display thats a little bit too small for 4K and a 30 or 32 inch would be much better as the pixel density is not as compressed

Thanks for the input, ive definitely read that sli is hit or miss depending on the game. That said, WoW scales very nicely with sli, will only consider if i cant hit what i want performance wise, otherwise i will just upgrade when necessary.
Personally, i think the tighter pixel density looks super sharp, ultimately thats why i chose the 24" 1440 over the 27". I think id rather have something like a curved 37" 1440 monitor, but mine is definitely adequate for now.
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Since WoW is primarily CPU bound I have a hard time seeing SLI giving any additional performance. Sure your maximum FPS might go up but the minimums will be the same if not likely worse. Plus the frametiming. SLI also doesn't make sense when you can get a single better GPU which actually scales 100% in every game instead of 80% here and there, 40% in most games that will use it and 0% in a great deal of games. SLI can also hurt your FPS in some cases.


Were you looking for improvements in average FPS after overclocking your ram? Sadly it doesn't work that way. The GPU is mainly responsible for your maximum FPS as long as the CPU is feeding it fast enough...that's where the faster ram and cache help. While you won't really notice your RAM and cache in raw FPS you can see it in frame timing and minimum framerate. If you use fraps to watch your FPS in a game you might see it locked to 144/120/60FPS (however you're set up) but you might also see hitching or stutters without seeing a FPS change. That's because you might have gotten X amount of FPS but it could have taken longer to render some frames than others. 60 frames rendered in 500ms+0 frames rendered in the other 500ms is still 60fps but for a full half a second you were watching a still image. I'm not saying this is what is happening or anything, it's just an example.
The idea is to keep the CPU from stalling by speeding up the ram and cache so the CPU can keep the GPU going.


Here in a few moths when we get our taxes I'll also be building a similar system. I have the rig in my signature, I plan on getting a used z370/390 with a used 8600/8700k then upgrading to a 9900k down the road if needed. If AMD launches a CPU with faster clocks I'm all over that instead.
Either way congrats on your rig!
This is our community OC guide for Kaby/Coffee lake CPUs...also whatever they called the newest ones:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...tatistics.html


I read his Haswell guide when I built my rig and had no issues overclocking for the first time after reading it a few times. Delidded and OC'd again shortly after.
BTW You're OC is fine, CPUs don't like to OC when they're warm. You can get a cheap Chinese delidding tool for about $10 and the liquid metal for another $10.


EDIT: Don't use GPU stress tests! All they do is make heat! YOuc an use stress tests on CPUs but so far the best way to OC a GPU is real world apps like Heaven or games. I prefer to use NVinspector because there really isn't anything running to keep your OC. You can set it to apply the clocks on start up and I've gotten the same speeds using it as I was able to with anything else. Read up on some Pascal OC guides.

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Thanks for the link to the guide, i will definitely take a look. I found some pretty good answers here when i was researching, before i became a member. I wasnt expecting to gain much overclocking my cpu / ram, maybe little faster loading. Thats the part im confused on. When i oc'd the cpu and set ram to xmp 2.0, the gains in fps, loading, minimums, and frame drops were way more noticeable than when i OC the graphics card. If i change from stock to OC (graphics card) even in the same controlled environment in a game, the difference is minimal, im not even sure there is one. That said, i do have less random situations where i get major fps lagging with it OC'd. I just expected more of a difference from the card after OC. My only real regret about this build is not getting a 1080ti, but i have no room to complain about my system.
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