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post #11 of 43 (permalink) Old 12-24-2018, 06:07 AM
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No way I'd buy either brand new right now. The 8700k line got butchered to make the 8086k so most of the good chips are gone...what was it, 5,000 or 10,000?
The 9700k is priced way too high considering clock for clock it really isn't much faster then the 8700k.
AMD is getting a substantial node shrink and they've had a good amount of time to tweak the arch and lithography. Plus their 8 core CPU would surely have HT and cost less.

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No way I'd buy either brand new right now. The 8700k line got butchered to make the 8086k so most of the good chips are gone...what was it, 5,000 or 10,000?
The 9700k is priced way too high considering clock for clock it really isn't much faster then the 8700k.
AMD is getting a substantial node shrink and they've had a good amount of time to tweak the arch and lithography. Plus their 8 core CPU would surely have HT and cost less.
While I don't disagree with what you're saying. Waiting for the next tech change or refresh always seems to lead to more recommendations to wait even longer.

I don't think $370 for a 9700k is that crazy. I do understand that it's more than previous generations but that's the way everything is now.

If I were to buy a nice x470 board I will be able to drop in a next gen ryzen CPU right?

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Build looks good but I'd like to add in my experience and mention that two of my five Arctic F140 fans are already starting to fail and get quite loud after just a few months of operation. I got a good deal on them but I do recall my buddies saying to stick with Noctua and be done with it, to which I disagreed.

Again just in my experience - I have Antec 120mm tri-cool's that have run for over a decade non-stop without any issues; To have a nearly 50% trouble rate with the Arctic fans is an annoyance I could have done without.
Noctuas good, but Noiseblocker eLoops BS (BS has PWM) should be also in option list. Those are darn good. 2 different length cables included which is neat trait

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While I don't disagree with what you're saying. Waiting for the next tech change or refresh always seems to lead to more recommendations to wait even longer.

I don't think $370 for a 9700k is that crazy. I do understand that it's more than previous generations but that's the way everything is now.

If I were to buy a nice x470 board I will be able to drop in a next gen ryzen CPU right?
Absolutely. You might do some digging to see what features you'd be leaving on the table (OC-ability, better ram support, PCIE4.0, etc) but the new CPUs will work in current boards.
Personally I feel like $370 is a lot to pay for a CPU that doesn't perform much different that the $330 CPU that it replaced but I wouldn't blame you for jumping the gun either as I'm also patiently waiting on AMD and our overlords who will graciously give back some of my own money.

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I am planning to upgrade from my X58 System, but I am having a hard time deciding on the CPU... I don't intend to go for any extreme overclocks, but it will have something modest at some point. I'm also not sure i'm interested in dealing with deliding, which is why I keep leaning towards the 9700k over the 8700k, but the cheapo in me keeps saying the 8700k is close enough for a good savings.

Primary use is gaming at 1080p 144hz, occasional use is trans-coding rips for plex on my NAS. Either i7 is likely overkill for my use but I don't want to have to go through this again for a while.

I'll be buying the CPU and Motherboard at Microcenter, so I will be able to get the 8700k for around $300 and the 9700k for $370, plus tax. Likely the end of this week.

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i7 9700k or 8700k
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GPU eVGA GTX 1080 - Already own
eVGA Supernova 850w G+ - purchased from evga w/ 12 year warranty
Corsair 500D (or my Alienware Predator 2 Case I am cutting up to add more fans and air intake.)
CPU Cooler - Right now I have an Enermax Liqtech II 240mm, likely going to get something else, need recommendations
SSD/HDD - Have this covered
Case fans - Arctic F120/140mm.


I really just can't decide on the CPU or cooler mostly. I will likely use the Enermax until I figure out what I want to do for a permanent cooling solution.

I want the system to be fairly quiet at idle, do the Arctic F120/140 fans perform quietly? I've seen them recommended around here.

My other option is a 2nd hand 6700k and motherboard - seems a let down from my 6c/12t xeon. I know it will be faster doing most things but it still feels like a step down. I might be able to still get it if it hasn't sold.


Thanks in advance! Happy Holidays!
Wait for 7nm CPUs and GPUs. Don't buy this outdated problematic stuff from Intel :/

I don't have a problem with Arctic or Gelid fans, plus they come with long warranty so who cares if they fail early, exchange them under warranty (none failed for me yet and the warranty is 6 years for Arctic). Are Noctuas and other overpriced fans magically quieter? Nope. Do they perform better and last longer? Not really. Plus you can find the very same fan shapes from other brands than Noctua, Noctua didn't make those shapes either, they all just copycat one another and often good proven original designs may actually be from old industrial use Nidecs.

You will definitely want 8C/16T or higher no matter what brand you choose. From Intel this is still outrageously priced and barely available.
Don't get stuck to one brand, choose the best value instead of barely any better performance at double the cost.

Intel needs to wake up, big time. Fix their endless security holes and move on from Core and 14nm to new architecture and 10nm that they are delaying indefinitely.

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post #16 of 43 (permalink) Old 12-24-2018, 06:51 PM
 
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7800x, 8700k, 9700k.

Something like that. Even the 7700k is still powerful. Has more frames than my 2600x but not by much. The 2600x is a deal breaker though.
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7800x, 8700k, 9700k.

Something like that. Even the 7700k is still powerful. Has more frames than my 2600x but not by much. The 2600x is a deal breaker though.
What do you mean it's a deal breaker?

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I'd grab a nice X470 and 2600x for a third of the price. Ryzen now is not hard to get memory running at proper speeds, the 6 core/12 thread Ryzen with feel just as fast as the 8 core i7 9700k with no HT. Play with it for awhile then upgrade when the next gen comes out if you like.


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For gaming I would go for the 9700k. 8 cores is all that is needed for gaming now and the distant future. For gaming FPS you need Clock speed something AMD does not offer.

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Well I'm a little more on the strapped side right now, unfortunately. And need to and should be trying to find some work, you know how it goes lol. I'm at loss with what the hell to try to do anymore lol
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