[Edit: I also just remembered, if I wanted to I could also (and I would probably choose to do this when I get an SSD eventually)
dual boot Windows 7 & Windows 10 right? That way I could have the best of both worlds on one PC.
I'd probably want to get like a 1TB SSD, so I'd have at least 500GB to work with for either OS to install games.]
So is a 4770k worth over $100 CAD more than a 4670k in terms of gaming performance? I've heard the extra threads make a difference in newer AAA games that use a lot of CPU power, but I'm not sure if it's enough to justify the price. For prices I've been checking Ebay, and ignoring any listings from China when they say the delivery will take up to like 50 days, I'd rather it be no more than like 14-21 days at most (the lower the better, but not if it means paying way more). I'm not in a rush to buy, in fact it will probably be quite a few months before I do (probably longer if I had to buy new RAM for a newer, more expensive CPU with a higher core count), but I'm planning ahead to decide what the best upgrade path will be.
If I buy relatively cheap, I'd be more comfortable upgrading sooner in terms of years from now. But if I pay a lot, I'd want to stay with that processor for up to like 8 years or more possibly, like I've done with my i5-750, so I'd probably want to move to something like an 8 core CPU in that case, to make sure I'm not missing out on a lot of performance years from now. Is Zen2 something I should wait for before I decide?
Might be a good idea.
Is there better places than Ebay I should be checking for prices? I think "hardwareswap" on Reddit is one place I've seen recommended, but you've to be careful about certain things (like only paying through something protected where you can get your money back if scammed, like PayPal, and checking the person's sales history on the subreddit).
I do love the idea of getting a 6 or 8 core processor to be ready for the future, if I can afford it in a reasonable amount of time. Spending money on more RAM isn't appealing, but I'd do it if the performance increase moving to a newer high core count CPU were justified, and I could stay on Windows 7 without compatibility issues with various forms of software, and hardware plugged into the motherboard for example
. Like I said earlier this is meant to be matched with an RX 580 8GB VRAM, I'm not sure if a CPU more powerful than the 4690k for example would make sense, but as I also said I suppose with the newer games pushing the CPU more, I may see a lot higher frame rates in those newer CPU intensive games were I to get a higher core count CPU, even if I stuck with the RX 580 for years to come (though I'm uncertain if this is true). And the more powerful (6 to 8 core) CPU would mean I wouldn't be bottlenecking a more powerful GPU were I to upgrade the GPU say 5 years from now.. hopefully.
The original goal for me was to get a big performance boost upgrading from my current overclocked i5-750, for minimal cost if possible (not having to replace RAM, which I've heard has a minimal performance impact in terms of frame rate between DDR3 to DDR4, and that RAM speeds also don't add up to much gaming performance difference; perhaps that's wrong if you take into consideration frame times/game smoothness, and not just frame rate, including both average and 0.1% lows?).
I think when I checked in the past I've seen as low as a $300 CAD total cost for a new mobo & CPU for the 4670k or 4690k on Ebay. I have some sense that I should lean towards the 4690k because they apparently have better thermals, I believe due to using better thermal paste, and I don't have any intention of delidding as long as the temperature of the CPU remains in a safe range, but I will be using my 212 heat sink to overclock.
I'm not sure if my 212 heat sink would be still usable on new Intel CPUs, I know it's compatible with the 4th generation ones. Also if I were to get Ryzen as far as I know they don't overclock well, so I probably wouldn't need better than the stock heat sink they provide (I've not done research to confirm this.. I also don't know if my 212 heat sink would work with a Ryzen CPU
)? But from what I vaguely recall Ryzen CPUs provide great gaming
performance for the price you pay (compared with the price of Intel CPUs vs performance). I've also seen some things that indicate Ryzen CPUs are better for things other than gaming.. but I'm not sure if they were taking into account how much gaming
performance you get for how much the CPU costs vs Intel's offerings. I wouldn't be willing to pay like 30% more for a new Intel CPU if I wasn't also getting close to 30% more gaming performance over the Ryzen equivalent.
One other thing.. I've randomly come across claims by some people that Ryzen are somehow able to create more "smoothness" with less hitching/stuttering compared to modern Intel offerings.. I think something to do with the architecture of the CPUs. I'm not sure if it's true though, if it is it would be worth going Ryzen to me just for that reason. It could just be that the higher core count for either Intel or Ryzen creates enough extra performance to work with, that this "smoothness" is apparent and just as good regardless of which you choose (Intel or Ryzen). I dont have a preference in terms of brand, I just want the best performance per dollar, and to be ready for years to come were I to buy a newer CPU, rather than something like a 4670k/4690k to save money.
As far as the "smoothness" issue, it could be something related to frame times, or 0.1% lows in the frame rates as far as I know. But they may have been false claims by people with bias, to try to get more people to move to Ryzen. I have no allegiance, although I have liked AMD's business practices over the competition in both the CPU & GPU markets in recent times.
Anyways.. I think that's good for now. Thank you all for the responses so far!