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The Asrock Taichi Z390/X470 boards are also some of the only boards on the market that comes with 8x SATA ports if that matters

I am looking to build a new PC later this year and i need at least 8x SATA ports so my only option is either the Asrock Taichi Z390/X470 or going with X299/X399 and even there the number of boards with 8x SATA ports can be counted on one hand

As for the 212x thats not a very good cooler

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The 9900k draw a lot of power overclocked and gets too hot to cool on air once you go past 4.9-5.0 GHz on all cores with heavy load. I did a build designed to get the most out of air cooling (excluding delid/lapping) and I only got to 4.9 (and not very comfortably either).
https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...r-too-hot.html

If you look at Silicon Lottery, you'll see that less than half of 9900k chips can be stable at 5 GHz (never mind about cooling) and only 8% can do 5.1 GHz. So it would take a fair bit of luck to hit 5.1.

The silver lining in this is that you'll never notice or care about 4.9 vs 5.1 when you're gaming. Even if you like to dial down settings and run at highest possible frame rates. So in my opinion, you shouldn't really care about the beefy VRMs in the Gigabyte boards because there is no chance you will be pushing them hard on air cooling. Personally I went with Asus for the better bios and found that the VRMs don't even crack 60C before I'm tapped out on cooling the CPU.

Memory matters up to around 3200-3600 MHz, after that it's tough and doesn't really help gaming. Going from stock to 3200 MHz is a pretty big jump, easy, and totally worth it.

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asrock is better than asus for the money, I had a code ix and a code formula and they werent good at all for memory.
they have a descent cpu auto OC but I am sure ASRock does just as well... you will get much better BIOS with the asrock board i feel, if nick shih does bios for the vanilla taichi then itll be updated often

asrock is just better than asus, they are more likely to post in my experience

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I have never had an Asrock motherboard that worked i had 5 boards from them and all of them where dead or died soon afterwards and i stopped buying Asrock motherboards 10 years ago since i got fed up with them

Have they become better since?
Seagate used to be garbage but after many years they got their act together and they are now just as good as WD so maybe Asrock is the same?

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Quote: Originally Posted by shilka View Post
I have never had an Asrock motherboard that worked i had 5 boards from them and all of them where dead or died soon afterwards and i stopped buying Asrock motherboards 10 years ago since i got fed up with them

Have they become better since?
Seagate used to be garbage but after many years they got their act together and they are now just as good as WD so maybe Asrock is the same?
My last three boards have been ASRock and have had no issues. Current board is a Z390 Taichi which is a really nice board.

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thanks for all the suggestion, changed my mind a little bit, because the aorus master dont support that high ram speed, i found MSI MEG Z390 ACE "7B12-004R",
but the supported memory is not the same model on msi support page, than on the g skill support, so which one should i chose?

msi site show these two.
F4-4266C19D-16GTZ
F4-4266C19D-16GTZ
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/supp...#support-mem-3

gskill show this one,
F4-4266C19D-16GTZR
http://gskill.com/en/product/f4-4266c19d-16gtzr,
http://gskill.com/en/configurator?ma...471&model=3517,
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but the supported memory is not the same model on msi support page, than on the g skill support, so which one should i chose?
I tend to believe the RAM manufacturer's QVL more than the motherboard manufacturer's as it's way simpler for the DRAM company to test their sticks on motherboards than the other way around and the DRAM company is more likely to keep their QVL up-to-date as new memory products are released.

Plus, if you need to get warranty replacement for your G.Skill sticks, it's likely better to have something on their QVL. They said it would work so they warrant it. You don't get a memory stick warranty from the motherboard mfgr.

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I tend to believe the RAM manufacturer's QVL more than the motherboard manufacturer's as it's way simpler for the DRAM company to test their sticks on motherboards than the other way around and the DRAM company is more likely to keep their QVL up-to-date as new memory products are released.

Plus, if you need to get warranty replacement for your G.Skill sticks, it's likely better to have something on their QVL. They said it would work so they warrant it. You don't get a memory stick warranty from the motherboard mfgr.
thanks!
final upgrade will then be
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Quote: Originally Posted by shilka View Post
I have never had an Asrock motherboard that worked i had 5 boards from them and all of them where dead or died soon afterwards and i stopped buying Asrock motherboards 10 years ago since i got fed up with them

Have they become better since?
Seagate used to be garbage but after many years they got their act together and they are now just as good as WD so maybe Asrock is the same?
I mean the z170m oc formula has been the best motherboard for XOC till the evga dark dropped presumably.
Probably depends on whether you get a 9+layer pcb board or a low layer one..

I had a z97 running till just last summer. Only issues I hear of are user error related


I heard bad things about the MSI board also. Really would suggest the taichi

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after seeing some of the problems with msi motherboard i changed my mind to z390 master again,

but i have a question about ram speed
im looking at two 2x8 4000mhz, but i dont know how much faster them with the better cl rating is
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