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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-22-2019, 03:07 PM - Thread Starter
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Xeon X5675 vs i7 4790k

I was looking into potentially building a CPU based on X58 platform, that would be my first ever project using that platform, but I am deciding whether to do it or not.

I saw test where Tech Yes City was reviewing this CPU against i7 8700k, and Xeon was very close to it, after being overclocked.

How would Xeon x5675 platform fair against i7 4790k in Gaming and multi-processing.

I would run games, record music, and edit videos if need be. Mostly for games. I can buy a system relatively cheap, and put the components in my existing Corsair Air 540 case. Dual Xeons are out of the question, because motherboard will NOT fit into this case.

BUT...triple memory channel sound fascinating.

I don't see any Xeon x5675 vs i7 4790k comparisons in google search or in Youtube search.

Currently I have my 4790k overclocked to 4.7 ghz, and I have DDR3 memory in my system, so I am not downgrading from DDR4 to DDR3, and the reason why I started thinking about it, is because DDR4 prices are insane.

Not sure what Ryzen 3300 is going to cost, and whether it's going to be close to Intel's competition.

I am looking for a platform that can beat i7 4790k, perhaps 8700k is what I need to wait for, but I rather ask before I start building anything.

Let me know your opinion if I should migrate, or just forget about it.
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Side grade at best, you wont be able to run any of the Westmere xeons much past 4.5ghz on anything but a high end motherboard, well binned CPU, and top tier watercooling. I run mine just a tick under 4.5 and it gets very warm under a Scythe Mugen 5. I built an X58 system for fun, it's interesting extending this platform for way longer than it was ever expected to be used.... those kinds of things just appeal to me and a few others.

In the end it's a super niche nostalgic glimpse into the past and if that speaks to you then go for it, but overall I wouldn't recommend it.
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Having owned and sold my X58 platform, it's often a PITA to have triple channel run properly on older boards as coolers end up warping the boards a bit, which causes poor contact on some ram sticks. I must've put 10-20 hours just to have the six sticks run on my X58 Gene just to end up crashing. If you're already running a 4790K at those clocks, I'd just add some 2400/10 Trident X in 2*8GB and overclock those to 2800/10 with 1.8-1.9v or more. Still a beast of a rig. X58 you'll have slower memory, maximum of 2000 MHz on the right sticks, in the right slots, one boot out of each three or four.

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They make ddr3 boards that support 8700k... I wouldn't overclock on them. But they do exist.

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At this point X58 is just for tinkering if you're the sort who likes that. The 4790k has a better IPC and clocks higher. Triple channel has negligible benefits compared to dual, as per the benchmarks done circa 10 years ago.

Basically if you already have the parts, or can get them dirt cheap, have fun with it. Otherwise, save your money for a real upgrade, or a video card.

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Yes, I am a dreamer, you guys got it correct, but I think I am coming to my senses, but I am still excited when thinking of building something like that.

The problem I would be switching to something less powerful for gaming, so I am leading into other direction now.

The most appealing thought about it is that I can build a whole PC with 250 bucks (USD), because I have a spare power supply and cooling, but I would need a case.

Once I wake up tomorrow, I will probably not want to do it physically, but theoretically it is such a fun thought.

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I have a Xeon X5675 as a backup pc, a frankensteined hp z400 workstation I got used years ago cheap because it's missing the front case faceplate...I put a gtx 660 OEM (I've read it's a cut down 660ti) and a 320gb 7200rpm wd black laptop drive in it, and it even has mixed ecc and regular ddr3 in it, something I heard wasn't even possible over the years, but it works, 14gb total ram. Mine has the 6 memory slots, some z400 had the 4 ram slots only. When my main pc's PSU died and the replacement took approx a week to order/arrive, it certainly sufficed to play some games with friends, and that was with the old Xeon equavilant to the i7 920 in it which was clocked quite a bit lower and had 8 threads vs the 12 on the upgraded 5675 I threw in it later.

onto the point about it vs the 4790k, I haven't seen too much newer x58 vids on youtube, it compared favorably against a ryzen 1600 at 3.6ghz, but, the ryzen beat it in fps, and the Xeon was OC to 4ghz as well

at this point in the game, honestly, a ryzen 1600/2600 acquired cheap would be better I'd figure. Even better still, the ryzen 1700's these days either on newegg or ebay are only about 150-160 bucks I've seen lately, my close friend nabbed one up the other day and once his psu arrives this week he'll be upgrading from an fx 8350 pc. DDR4 prices are lower than they used to be, they were quite pricey for 16gb 3000mhz when I built my ryzen 1700 pc last year

basically in the end, I'd figure sidegrade at best, your 4790k at 4.7ghz is still good, is there anything it's lacking performance in? A better gpu or newer/bigger ssd would honestly provide better improvement than getting an old x58. I nabbed mine up due to curiosity, I like seeing how older hardware performs in newer stuff, and it made for a cheap but potent backup pc.

If you do get a ryzen 1700 cheap, on the stock cooler I have it on 3.7ghz at 1.18 volts. 1st gen ryzens at least capped out at about 4ghz, and 3.8 and above started requiring quite a bit more voltage as well as better cooling, so I'm honestly ok personally at my sweetspot GHZ speed, I don't think 300mhz more is worth all the extra trouble for me. I've been looking at 1tb sata ssd or maybe m.2 ssd for most commonly played games.

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Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteSnake91 View Post
I have a Xeon X5675 as a backup pc, a frankensteined hp z400 workstation I got used years ago cheap because it's missing the front case faceplate...I put a gtx 660 OEM (I've read it's a cut down 660ti) and a 320gb 7200rpm wd black laptop drive in it, and it even has mixed ecc and regular ddr3 in it, something I heard wasn't even possible over the years, but it works, 14gb total ram. Mine has the 6 memory slots, some z400 had the 4 ram slots only. When my main pc's PSU died and the replacement took approx a week to order/arrive, it certainly sufficed to play some games with friends, and that was with the old Xeon equavilant to the i7 920 in it which was clocked quite a bit lower and had 8 threads vs the 12 on the upgraded 5675 I threw in it later.

onto the point about it vs the 4790k, I haven't seen too much newer x58 vids on youtube, it compared favorably against a ryzen 1600 at 3.6ghz, but, the ryzen beat it in fps, and the Xeon was OC to 4ghz as well https://youtu.be/gqy4Kk58sSk

at this point in the game, honestly, a ryzen 1600/2600 acquired cheap would be better I'd figure. Even better still, the ryzen 1700's these days either on newegg or ebay are only about 150-160 bucks I've seen lately, my close friend nabbed one up the other day and once his psu arrives this week he'll be upgrading from an fx 8350 pc. DDR4 prices are lower than they used to be, they were quite pricey for 16gb 3000mhz when I built my ryzen 1700 pc last year

basically in the end, I'd figure sidegrade at best, your 4790k at 4.7ghz is still good, is there anything it's lacking performance in? A better gpu or newer/bigger ssd would honestly provide better improvement than getting an old x58. I nabbed mine up due to curiosity, I like seeing how older hardware performs in newer stuff, and it made for a cheap but potent backup pc.

If you do get a ryzen 1700 cheap, on the stock cooler I have it on 3.7ghz at 1.18 volts. 1st gen ryzens at least capped out at about 4ghz, and 3.8 and above started requiring quite a bit more voltage as well as better cooling, so I'm honestly ok personally at my sweetspot GHZ speed, I don't think 300mhz more is worth all the extra trouble for me. I've been looking at 1tb sata ssd or maybe m.2 ssd for most commonly played games.
Awesome!

This guy here fascinated me with x58 platform as a whole, explained how well it performs if you overclock it to 4.5 ghz:

I bought 1151 platform today. 8700k is on the way to me, I feel a bit of sadness that I didn't build this platform, but hey...I know I still can.

It's a fascinating gem of the cpu.
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