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post #21 of 59 (permalink) Old 05-09-2019, 05:39 AM
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Going ryzen makes alot of sense. Your gonna save some dollars that can go to a bigger ssd, GPU or w/e you want. + its not a plain old dead Intel socket. I did a build for a friend with help from ocn: https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-a...-feedback.html


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CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($164.39 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/White) CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI - B450I GAMING PLUS AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($119.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo EVOLV ITX TG (Black) Mini ITX Desktop Case ($86.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $805.68


It is a little banger for 1080p gaming. Great value.
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post #22 of 59 (permalink) Old 05-09-2019, 06:48 AM
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You're right if all that is true. Prices on Newegg were a lot lower than on Amazon for some of the parts. I picked Amazon simply because he used Amazon as a reference. If he lives near a MicroCenter, he should get everything there if it's cheaper.
I picked the first best RX 580 8GB that popped up for the list. He can pick any, really, although I generally prefer Sapphire over other brands. They also come at a premium price most of the time though...
It's True. MC has the r7 2700 for $199.99. then they also offer $30 off a mobo when bought together.

That said I did some more digging and that x470 auros board I mentioned might not be the best recommendation as it has insufficient vrms for decent oc'ing. Here's Buildzoid's video on AM4
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This has all been really helpful. As I mentioned, I'm not familiar with AMD CPUs so its been nice to see recommendations on that side. I think I'll probably end up going to Micro Center (that's where my first build back in '06 was from) - I'll get the case on Amazon and depending on what monitors they have in stock I may just order that too. I like supporting a local store and their prices are pretty comparable. They have a ton of stuff on sale right now and I'm going to give them a call and see if the have any Memorial Day sales coming up at the end of the month.

I know some of you have recommended waiting til later this year, but I'm not going to do that. I'm going to push my budget up to $1500ish. That should be me some all around better stuff. Micro Center has some nice i7 and AMD/motherboard bundles I can afford if I go with the higher budget. What would be a comparable AMD to an i7 9700K? From what I've researched it seems the i7 outperforms most AMD products.

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From what I've researched it seems the i7 outperforms most AMD products.
That might not be the case for much longer with AMD Zen 2 being shown at Computex in 3 weeks

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Quote: Originally Posted by mrreilly View Post
This has all been really helpful. As I mentioned, I'm not familiar with AMD CPUs so its been nice to see recommendations on that side. I think I'll probably end up going to Micro Center (that's where my first build back in '06 was from) - I'll get the case on Amazon and depending on what monitors they have in stock I may just order that too. I like supporting a local store and their prices are pretty comparable. They have a ton of stuff on sale right now and I'm going to give them a call and see if the have any Memorial Day sales coming up at the end of the month.

I know some of you have recommended waiting til later this year, but I'm not going to do that. I'm going to push my budget up to $1500ish. That should be me some all around better stuff. Micro Center has some nice i7 and AMD/motherboard bundles I can afford if I go with the higher budget. What would be a comparable AMD to an i7 9700K? From what I've researched it seems the i7 outperforms most AMD products.
It does, but you're also paying an extra $100 for that performance. The 2700X goes for about $280. If you're not worried about price/performance, go i7-9700k. Its perfect for your needs. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400...9600k-review/8

*also, its no longer 'mid range'.

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Quote: Originally Posted by mrreilly View Post
This has all been really helpful. As I mentioned, I'm not familiar with AMD CPUs so its been nice to see recommendations on that side. I think I'll probably end up going to Micro Center (that's where my first build back in '06 was from) - I'll get the case on Amazon and depending on what monitors they have in stock I may just order that too. I like supporting a local store and their prices are pretty comparable. They have a ton of stuff on sale right now and I'm going to give them a call and see if the have any Memorial Day sales coming up at the end of the month.

I know some of you have recommended waiting til later this year, but I'm not going to do that. I'm going to push my budget up to $1500ish. That should be me some all around better stuff. Micro Center has some nice i7 and AMD/motherboard bundles I can afford if I go with the higher budget. What would be a comparable AMD to an i7 9700K? From what I've researched it seems the i7 outperforms most AMD products.

You need a new monitor.


CPU - R5 2600X - 180$

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...KIKX0DER&psc=1

Motherboard - MSI B450 Carcon -130$

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...KIKX0DER&psc=1

RAM – G. Skill FlareX 3200 CL14 - 170$

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-530-_-Product

SSD - Crucial 500GB - 70$

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-173-_-Product


Cpu Cooler – Noctua US14S - $70

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16835608041

Case – Corsair Carbide - 50$

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...KIKX0DER&psc=1

PSU – Seasonic Focus Plus 750W - 110$

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GPU RTX 2070 - 535$

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That might not be the case for much longer with AMD Zen 2 being shown at Computex in 3 weeks
What would be the availability once they're shown? What about other compatible hardware? is that still a while out?

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*also, its no longer 'mid range'.
That's true.. lol

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What a bunch of nonsense that list is way outdated (even says old version) factually wrong and incorrect on almost everything so its a complete waste of time and its untrustworthy and its garbage

There nothing factually correct about the G3 being lower than the G2 its is an improved version of the G2 not the other way around and the Seasonic Focus has better voltage regulation than the both G2 and the G3 and its often cheaper so thats why i recommend it

Just to show proof of that the G2 has a 0,76% voltage regulation on the 12v rail compared to the G3 at 0,36% and the Seasonic Focus Plus Gold at 0,12%

Moving over to ripple suppression the G2 is doing 15mv at full load on the 12v rail compared to 12,5mv on the G3 and 27,9mv on the Focus so the G2 and G3 are better there but the Focus takes voltage regulation

The G2 is inferior to both the G3 and the Focus and its absolutely huge compared to the G3 and Focus so it does not even fit in many cases with limited PSU room
I am not saying its bad i have one myself and there is nothing wrong with it but there are newer and better options out there some of them are cheaper as well and the linustechtips list is simply wrong

Edit: The only negative about the G3 is its fan noise when used in eco mode
https://www.overclock.net/forum/31-p...e-problem.html
Want a more recent one? Here;
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic...ist-21-legacy/

A Tier: G2
B Tier: G3

That is well-known... The G3 has protection issues (OPP & OTP), a bugged eco mode and also lacks multi-rail. If you look purely at power delivery, sure, the G3 is better in more areas (not even all), but has overshooting issues. As a whole product, the G2 is cheaper and superior. Newer is not always better.
People assume the Seasonic is better than the G2 because it is better than the G3, but that couldn't be further from the truth. The G3 is likely the worst top tier PSU there is.

But again, all this is splitting hairs. It's not as if the PC is going to explode if he goes for one or the other. Let the OP decide whether he wants a theoretically slightly better PSU, or 3 year additional warranty. If he wants to go Seasonic, good for him. The G2, if you can find one, is better value compared to both the G3 and the Seasonic.

And just keep this in mind regarding Seasonic Focus Plus;
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/co...bility_issues/
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Quote: Originally Posted by mrreilly View Post
What would be the availability once they're shown? What about other compatible hardware? is that still a while out?
There will be more info on Zen 2 and availability at Computex 2019 so anything i say with what i know right now will be speculation
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https://linustechtips.com/main/topic...ist-21-legacy/

A Tier: G2
B Tier: G3

That is well-known... The G3 has protection issues (OPP & OTP), a bugged eco mode and also lacks multi-rail. If you look purely at power delivery, sure, the G3 is better in more areas (not even all), but has overshooting issues. As a whole product, the G2 is cheaper and superior. Newer is not always better.
People assume the Seasonic is better than the G2 because it is better than the G3, but that couldn't be further from the truth. The G3 is likely the worst top tier PSU there is.

But again, all this is splitting hairs. It's not as if the PC is going to explode if he goes for one or the other. Let the OP decide whether he wants a theoretically slightly better PSU, or 3 year additional warranty. If he wants to go Seasonic, good for him. The G2, if you can find one, is better value compared to both the G3 and the Seasonic.

And just keep this in mind regarding Seasonic Focus Plus;
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/co...bility_issues/
As for the Seasonic Focus the OP is not buying an Asus GTX 970 Strix a Vega 56 or a Vega 64 so thats a non issue, the G2 is not multi rail either
By the way i agree with you on the G3 i dont think its all that great either and its somewhat overhyped

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As for the Seasonic Focus the OP is not buying an Asus GTX 970 Strix a Vega 56 or a Vega 64 so thats a non issue,
Well, I assume if something has a 7 year warranty, that you'll put other cards in there, and there's no way to know which ones will or will not cause this issue in the future. I would not buy it with the hope that I'll never have the issue.

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the G2 is not multi rail either
You're right. I stand corrected... Multi-rail is not always better either, as to not confuse the OP.

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By the way i agree with you on the G3 i dont think its all that great either and its somewhat overhyped
I finally found the most updated PSU tier list... Last updated, April 24th 2019.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic...psu-tier-list/

Seasonic PRIME = S tier
G2 = A+ tier
Focus (Plus) Platinum / Gold = A tier
G3 = B tier


Now let's go back to actually helping the thread starter. AMD equivalent of 9700K? There isn't any, in the sense of pure single threaded IPC, because AMD's CPU's can't reach the clock speeds of the 9700k. Additionally, AMD doesn't have an 8C/8T CPU. They have only 8C/16T CPUs. The 2700X is extremely good value if you're not going to overclock. If you are, the 2700 is a better deal. All in all, this is a good comparison;
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ry...00k,38046.html

Honestly, at this point it's much better to wait for the Ryzen 3000 series, if you can. Worst case scenario if you really cannot wait and need a PC now, you can buy your full system with a good X470 board and a cheap AM4 CPU like the Athlon 200GE ($50) or the R3 1200 ($70) and upgrade your CPU later. AMD will keep using the AM4 socket at least until next year, so, your CPU upgrade options are plenty.

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