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post #11 of 68 (permalink) Old 06-13-2013, 09:50 AM
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Yes I don't trust that chart either. AMD lost 10% market share in a year?

What is the reason it is so hard to believe?

I'd much prefer people refute with evidence, rather than just contrary statements and disapproval.

edit: *looks up* see, like that.

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Here's a separate chart previously released by Mercury Research (who is the cited source of the data). The relevant charts are Exhibits 5 and 6 at the top.




If you need a second source of data, Jon Peddie Research independently came up with the following quarterly market share numbers for discrete GPUs:
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BRAND   Q2'12 Q3'12 Q4'12 Q1'13
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AMD     40.3% 35.7% 34.3% 35.7%
NVIDIA  59.3% 64.0% 65.7% 64.3%

In other words NVIDIA's chart is legit. thumb.gif



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If you need a second source of data, Jon Peddie Research independently came up with the following quarterly market share numbers for discrete GPUs:
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BRAND   Q2'12 Q3'12 Q4'12 Q1'13
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AMD     40.3% 35.7% 34.3% 35.7%
NVIDIA  59.3% 64.0% 65.7% 64.3%

Look at the Y-axis on Nvidia's chart....

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Look at the Y-axis on Nvidia's chart....

If you're referring to the discrepancy in Q2'12 market share between NVIDIA's chart and JPR's numbers, I believe that JPR is reporting discrete desktop cards, while NVIDIA's chart is combining discrete desktop and notebook GPUs. AMD's market share for notebook discrete GPUs dropped quite a bit more in Q2'12 than their desktop GPUs according to the Exhibit 6 of the larger chart from Mercury Research that I posted, an occurrence that didn't happen in any other quarter.

If you're referring to the Y-axis being truncated to only being between 30% to 70% with 5% marking intervals, I can see why they did it because it covers the entire range of results within its borders without discontinuities.

However, I've been on record saying that I prefer full-range charts starting at 0% with no gaps so that even less sophisticated readers cannot be confused or misled, so I will register my disapproval of NVIDIA using that format in said chart. Fair is fair, after all...

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Sounds very possible and legit, AMD needed this gaming market to secure their funds and status for the next decade at least, this will give them the edge with the more popular gaming market.
Given that they made both chips for sony and microsoft they have done theirselves a great service. Now Nvidia doesn't have to worry about AMD splerging funds in order to compete with PC gamers.
I think by the time we see the 8k series cards, they will be with us for a long time before we see something else.

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when all the new games work with Opencl and not Physx, Nvidia won't be happy anymore. Nvidia's OpenCL performance has been about as bad as AMDs PhysX performance.

based on the insanely cheap prices for the 7xxx series gpus since last fall, i'd say nvidia's chart is legit. AMD's early driver issues with the 7xxx series really killed that lineup. In a way i'm glad i missed all that. Got my brand new voltage unlocked 7770 ghz ed dirt cheap because of it ($84)

you wish. DirectX will always rule over OpenGL and PhysX/CUDA/DirectCompute will always rule over OpenCL. open-sourced softwares are NEVER mainstream. the only exception is Android but we all know that most companies that use that proprietized the heck out of it.

the chart looks legit given how much driver trouble AMD had and how their CFX solutions are still unusable, they lose almost all of the multi-GPU customers.

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open-sourced softwares are NEVER mainstream. the only exception is Android but we all know that most companies that use that proprietized the heck out of it.

...what are you talking about?

OSS is the norm in billions of embedded devices and servers.

There are plenty of OSS that own the market.... i.e. Eclipse, Linux-Apache-MySQL-Php/Perl/Python (LAMP)

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Post has been up for 5 hours and no mod has asked for a source? I even did a report. (i believe the article exists but still its like rule #1 for news)

I dont really care if Nvidia has 60% market share in dedicated cards. The future will be APUs/IGP and then on to cloud gaming. Hate it if you want as high performance PCs are a niche, but Steam surveys clearly shows a APU/IGP leading, out of the top 6 'graphics cards' 4 of them are IGP.. This years new consoles will be solely powered by APUs, and Onlive already proved that cloud gaming is VERY viable for anyone with a half decent connection, and there are more people with internet connections then expensive dedicated GPUs..
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you wish. DirectX will always rule over OpenGL and PhysX/CUDA/DirectCompute will always rule over OpenCL. open-sourced softwares are NEVER mainstream. the only exception is Android but we all know that most companies that use that proprietized the heck out of it.

the chart looks legit given how much driver trouble AMD had and how their CFX solutions are still unusable, they lose almost all of the multi-GPU customers.
Not really, quite a few of DirectX technology's were innovated by OpenGL. OpenGL has always been a few steps ahead if DirectX, the only problem is nobody wants to use it because its an open standard. Plus with Windows being the biggest portion of the market share, why not use DirectX which is already provided and locked down.
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