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i just picked up one of those $100 32gb refurb wii Us for some home brew fun
Nice! I also have a Wii U. Super Mario 3D World and Xenoblade Chronicles X were my two favorites. Both were well worth the cost of the system, though Xenoblade is a pretty arduous undertaking and has an essentially endless postgame (I think I have around 440 hours played). Laser cutting the necks off Brontosauruses in a floating Japanese robot so their heads fall off after you clear the game and build that mecha is worth the price of admission alone. Although lots of people hated the music and didn't understand the gameplay, as it is quite strange and not like most standard JRPGs, either turn based or action ones. Tbh in my top 3 games of the last decade, easily, but I have different choices compared to most to say the least.

Do you have any other retro consoles and want to be added to the club? (I don't recall if you're already a member or not) What homebrew do you plan to play, emulators?

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yep, i got a hard copy of xeno. Looking forward to that one.

you can add me to the club, sure.

I'd like to build my old man something from a Pi for the holidays. His retron decided to die.

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Whats the goal with this? To play 99-2002 era early 3D games, and also have some support for DOS games?

Take what I'm going to say with a grain of salt- I used an AMD K6-2 350MHz overclocked to 450MHz during this period, and it was in an HP prebuilt. It didn't run 3d accelerated games well at all- but we were poor. Later, we got a P4-1.8GHz generic prebuilt off of ebay and it suited me fine, mostly to play Ragnarok Online and emulators.

That said, I was around back then and an adult but had no money. I sorta kept up with pc hardware but not much because I couldn't afford any of it.

From what I've heard a Pentium III 733MHz is faster than a 1.2GHz (or so) P4.

That said- if it were me, I would try to source a contemporary (2001) Athlon Classic or Thunderbird and a goldfinger device or board that supports overclocking (Thunderbird). I'd purposely try and get a lower speed (600-700MHz) model, and see about mounting a modern heatsink and fan to it, if possible. Because back then people were buying 600MHz Athlons and overclocking them to 1GHz+ and blowing away Pentium III rigs. Tbh it would be interesting to learn the architecture and see what I missed.

I'd also look for a modern MicroSD to IDE hdd converter device, so you can have both 98se and XP to boot off of.

Graphics I really have no idea, but I am pretty sure that by 2001 any of the Voodoo boards sucked, and I know the Geforce 256 (original Nvidia GPU) was like 2x as fast as anything else on the market on launch, but I don't know if it supported Glide or not, or if it was out in 01. Alternatively I'd look at ATi's offerings that year.

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Well I was thinking quite a lot of DOS games mainly (Wolfenstein, Doom, Diablo, TES I and II etc) while also being able to play up to something like newest game that i was thinking that it would play is Morrowind era stuff give or take, so probably 1992-2002 ish.

Was thinking a Tually P-III (1.4GHz) mainly because it beats even a 2.5GHz P4 in almost everything. The chips aren’t too expensive like $20-$30 its just finding a Tually capable motherboard is the hard part, most surviving S370 board only support up to coppermine, which isn’t bad but I really want an “overkill” 98SE machine if you get what i mean. But the reason i said C2D is the boards aren’t too expensive its just finding a chipset with 98 drivers is the difficult part, ever harder is finding on that has drivers and support something other than Prescott or Cedar Mill, there are a few that support Conroe and Wolfdale, i have a bunch of 775 chips so that’s a non issue and would be one less expense.

Another thing about it is getting a 775 board would technically open up more options in terms of GPU’s because you could go PCI-E route, even though getting PCI-E support in W98 is... well another story all together.

But yeah I’d like to go the 775 route that way I wouldn’t need to buy a CPU + Motherboard + compatible PSU and even some SD or DDR ram and just stick with the EVGA PSU, a C2D i have laying around and some DDR2 667 that i also have in a box somewhere around here.

It also would allow me to not cut into my fund for my main PC replacement that i have planned towards the end of next year. I could do a VM i guess, but there really is nothing like playing that era games on actual hardware (yes I know Morrowind runs in windows 10 and stuff) but you get what i mean i think.

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yep, i got a hard copy of xeno. Looking forward to that one.

you can add me to the club, sure.

I'd like to build my old man something from a Pi for the holidays. His retron decided to die.

Alright, do you have anything older than the Wii U I can list? (Generally we want to only list consoles older than 10 yrs, if you still have an original Wii, 360 or PS3 I can list that, if not I'll make an exception)


> Well I was thinking quite a lot of DOS games mainly (Wolfenstein, Doom, Diablo, TES I and II etc) while also being able to play up to something like newest game that i was thinking that it would play is Morrowind era stuff give or take, so probably 1992-2002 ish.

Was thinking a Tually P-III (1.4GHz) mainly because it beats even a 2.5GHz P4 in almost everything. The chips aren’t too expensive like $20-$30 its just finding a Tually capable motherboard is the hard part, most surviving S370 board only support up to coppermine, which isn’t bad but I really want an “overkill” 98SE machine if you get what i mean. But the reason i said C2D is the boards aren’t too expensive its just finding a chipset with 98 drivers is the difficult part, ever harder is finding on that has drivers and support something other than Prescott or Cedar Mill, there are a few that support Conroe and Wolfdale, i > have a bunch of 775 chips so that’s a non issue and would be one less expense.


You should look into a Pentium II, original Pentium, or something like a P3-700 then? I do watch a lot of LGR- if you want to play DOS games you don't want a 1.4GHz or 2.5GHz chip, won't some of the games you mentioned run too fast to be playable?

If you want to play Morrowind and use a 775 Core chip, you should probably run WinXP and play Doom and that stuff in Dosbox- you'll also be able to play earlier (81-92-ish) DOS games that definitely need a frame limiter and would run too fast on even a Pentium, let alone something that recent.

I suppose you'd want to research Doom, Diablo (this will run fine and not too fast, as will SC1 afaik), Wolf3D, etc and verify they won't run too fast on something newer than a Pentium II.

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You should look into a Pentium II, original Pentium, or something like a P3-700 then? I do watch a lot of LGR- if you want to play DOS games you don't want a 1.4GHz or 2.5GHz chip, won't some of the games you mentioned run too fast to be playable?

If you want to play Morrowind and use a 775 Core chip, you should probably run WinXP and play Doom and that stuff in Dosbox- you'll also be able to play earlier (81-92-ish) DOS games that definitely need a frame limiter and would run too fast on even a Pentium, let alone something that recent.

I suppose you'd want to research Doom, Diablo (this will run fine and not too fast, as will SC1 afaik), Wolf3D, etc and verify they won't run too fast on something newer than a Pentium II.

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Yeah I would consider a PII but i want an “overkill” 98SE setup, with the possibility of running W2000. I also thought about going the AMD route but AMD wasn’t really more or less better until the Athlon XP days which were pretty much only Windows XP. Though now that I think on it I “could” go the S754 route and the get an Athlon 64 3700+ or 3800+ route. But I might do what a friend of mine did and get a cheap SiS 775 board that actually has 98SE support and Conroe/Wolfdale support, although it is limited to a 1066FSB so it downclocks 1333MHz chips to 1066MHz. But it does have an ipc advantage so a lower clockspeed wouldn’t matter.

As far as the older games go I do know of a program that limits the cpu cycles so the games don’t run uber fast, and breaking them I had planned on using that. I really just want to see how modern I can actually go with a 98SE/2000 PC, with the most bleeding edge hardware I can get with support. I guess you can call it a “project within a project”.

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Since I mentioned it.

This is just one of around 50 or so pieces of prototype software, on disks in a disk binder, that I received with this Macintosh SE, bought locally for $75 in working condition.

The original listing had no mention of anything other than it coming with some floppy disks.

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I didn't even pick the machine up, my wife did, and she said the former owners met in Cupertino in 1983 when one of them was doing an internship at Apple while working on a CS degree.

Indeed, the 400k MFS format Macintosh disks have many, many applications not found online, including some early games previously lost to time, and some of the applications have datestamps as early as Oct 1983. (The original Macintosh 128k launched in Jan 84.)

These were the first computers I learned how to use, and upon seeing what was on the disks, I immediately realized what they were and that it correlated with what my wife told me. So I ordered and installed a FloppyEmu SD card device for booting disk images made in the emulator, Mini Vmac.

I also totally disassembled and cleaned the unit, it was extremely dusty. I removed the failed 20MB SCSI hard disk, I upgraded the unit from its stock 1MB memory configuration to four 9-chip 1MB 80ns SIMMs (cutting access time to main memory roughly in half), and I partially disassembled, cleaned and relubricated the 800KB dual-sided FDD.

I then proceeded to image or otherwise save all of the programs I could on the failing diskettes from late 1983.

I'd estimate that I saved about 95% of the applications and contents out of about 20 diskettes- some were too far deteriorated to save.

None of the original diskettes are in use anymore, and are being kept in a climate and humidity controlled room. All are run off the SD card in the FloppyEmu. In the video, I was using a much newer floppy made around 2001, that had the software from the original diskette copied to it via FloppyEmu.

The software in the video above was explained/referenced in a newsgroup posting from 1985 we tracked down:

J. Eric Roskos (May 17, 1985):

This reminds me of a question that has been bothering me for a long
time. Back when the Apple Macintosh personal computer first came out,
there was a demo disk distributed to various dealers, etc., of a voice
synthesis program (it's the one that had different names over the
early part of the product life, names like MacinTalk, MacTalk, etc.,
and I don't know the name it has now or had then). Included with it
was a little demo that recited the well-known "In the olden days,
before 1984, not many people used computers, and for a very good
reason: not many knew how, and..." story.

Well, if you looked in the text file that contained the text of this
message, there was a delimiting string at the end of the message,
something like "#####", and then some more phonetic text. If you took
out the "####", after it got through telling you about Apple, it would
start giving you a little talk about how the Fairlight CMI worked! Why
is this? Was that voice synthesizer made by the same people who make
the CMI? Or is there a version of it that runs on the CMI? or what?

-----

[email protected] (May 20, 1985):

The name of the program was indeed Macintalk. It fell into obscurity
after last spring when it first released, was re-released (with better
sound) in December to a few developers, including myself, and is now
on the verge of falling into obscurity again. I really hope that Apple
finally finishes off the contract work on this thing and releases it
completely.

Macintalk was written by the same people who wrote SAM (Software
Automated Mouth) for the Atari and Apple II. They were commissioned
early on by Apple to do a Mac port, and it appeared in the original
Mac demo in January, '84 (on a 512K Mac!) Over the past year, I have
been able to collect bits and pieces of old Macintalk junk including
the Mac/Fairlight script mentioned earlier. The New (December '84)
Macintalk sounds a lot better. It sounds like a computer in its mid
30's rather than an old man whose false teeth are out for repair.

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!...g/-_OBQaXQAeMJ


This software, and many others on my diskettes, had never resurfaced before and was not available anywhere online in any archives of 68k Mac software for use in emulators.

Anyway, I hope you guys find this interesting.

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Haven't been paying a lot of attention to OCN for a while. That's cool story about the Mac though. Have you thought about seeing if archive.org wants the image files?

Haven't had a lot of play time with retro games for quite a while. I've been working most recently on a file server for myself. Once I have a place to store everything I could ever want to store (like a ton ROMs and ISO files also PS3) I feel like I can move on to other things. Like occasionally /playing/ games.

I did start playing Links Awakening for Switch. If that counts as a retro game(?).
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Haven't been paying a lot of attention to OCN for a while. That's cool story about the Mac though. Have you thought about seeing if archive.org wants the image files?

Haven't had a lot of play time with retro games for quite a while. I've been working most recently on a file server for myself. Once I have a place to store everything I could ever want to store (like a ton ROMs and ISO files also PS3) I feel like I can move on to other things. Like occasionally /playing/ games.

I did start playing Links Awakening for Switch. If that counts as a retro game(?).

I've looked, and apparently Jason Scott at archive.org had uploaded a small number of classic b&w 68k Macintosh apps and games.

However, I've tried and I cannot find a contact email listed for him anywhere on the site. I can't even find a generic contact email for the archive.

I absolutely want to do this and already looked into it myself- do you know how to get in touch with anyone there?

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