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post #2181 of 2184 (permalink) Old 11-18-2019, 12:32 PM - Thread Starter
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Since I mentioned it.

This is just one of around 50 or so pieces of prototype software, on disks in a disk binder, that I received with this Macintosh SE, bought locally for $75 in working condition.

The original listing had no mention of anything other than it coming with some floppy disks.

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I didn't even pick the machine up, my wife did, and she said the former owners met in Cupertino in 1983 when one of them was doing an internship at Apple while working on a CS degree.

Indeed, the 400k MFS format Macintosh disks have many, many applications not found online, including some early games previously lost to time, and some of the applications have datestamps as early as Oct 1983. (The original Macintosh 128k launched in Jan 84.)

These were the first computers I learned how to use, and upon seeing what was on the disks, I immediately realized what they were and that it correlated with what my wife told me. So I ordered and installed a FloppyEmu SD card device for booting disk images made in the emulator, Mini Vmac.

I also totally disassembled and cleaned the unit, it was extremely dusty. I removed the failed 20MB SCSI hard disk, I upgraded the unit from its stock 1MB memory configuration to four 9-chip 1MB 80ns SIMMs (cutting access time to main memory roughly in half), and I partially disassembled, cleaned and relubricated the 800KB dual-sided FDD.

I then proceeded to image or otherwise save all of the programs I could on the failing diskettes from late 1983.

I'd estimate that I saved about 95% of the applications and contents out of about 20 diskettes- some were too far deteriorated to save.

None of the original diskettes are in use anymore, and are being kept in a climate and humidity controlled room. All are run off the SD card in the FloppyEmu. In the video, I was using a much newer floppy made around 2001, that had the software from the original diskette copied to it via FloppyEmu.

The software in the video above was explained/referenced in a newsgroup posting from 1985 we tracked down:

J. Eric Roskos (May 17, 1985):

This reminds me of a question that has been bothering me for a long
time. Back when the Apple Macintosh personal computer first came out,
there was a demo disk distributed to various dealers, etc., of a voice
synthesis program (it's the one that had different names over the
early part of the product life, names like MacinTalk, MacTalk, etc.,
and I don't know the name it has now or had then). Included with it
was a little demo that recited the well-known "In the olden days,
before 1984, not many people used computers, and for a very good
reason: not many knew how, and..." story.

Well, if you looked in the text file that contained the text of this
message, there was a delimiting string at the end of the message,
something like "#####", and then some more phonetic text. If you took
out the "####", after it got through telling you about Apple, it would
start giving you a little talk about how the Fairlight CMI worked! Why
is this? Was that voice synthesizer made by the same people who make
the CMI? Or is there a version of it that runs on the CMI? or what?

-----

[email protected] (May 20, 1985):

The name of the program was indeed Macintalk. It fell into obscurity
after last spring when it first released, was re-released (with better
sound) in December to a few developers, including myself, and is now
on the verge of falling into obscurity again. I really hope that Apple
finally finishes off the contract work on this thing and releases it
completely.

Macintalk was written by the same people who wrote SAM (Software
Automated Mouth) for the Atari and Apple II. They were commissioned
early on by Apple to do a Mac port, and it appeared in the original
Mac demo in January, '84 (on a 512K Mac!) Over the past year, I have
been able to collect bits and pieces of old Macintalk junk including
the Mac/Fairlight script mentioned earlier. The New (December '84)
Macintalk sounds a lot better. It sounds like a computer in its mid
30's rather than an old man whose false teeth are out for repair.

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!...g/-_OBQaXQAeMJ


This software, and many others on my diskettes, had never resurfaced before and was not available anywhere online in any archives of 68k Mac software for use in emulators.

Anyway, I hope you guys find this interesting.

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Haven't been paying a lot of attention to OCN for a while. That's cool story about the Mac though. Have you thought about seeing if archive.org wants the image files?

Haven't had a lot of play time with retro games for quite a while. I've been working most recently on a file server for myself. Once I have a place to store everything I could ever want to store (like a ton ROMs and ISO files also PS3) I feel like I can move on to other things. Like occasionally /playing/ games.

I did start playing Links Awakening for Switch. If that counts as a retro game(?).
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Haven't been paying a lot of attention to OCN for a while. That's cool story about the Mac though. Have you thought about seeing if archive.org wants the image files?

Haven't had a lot of play time with retro games for quite a while. I've been working most recently on a file server for myself. Once I have a place to store everything I could ever want to store (like a ton ROMs and ISO files also PS3) I feel like I can move on to other things. Like occasionally /playing/ games.

I did start playing Links Awakening for Switch. If that counts as a retro game(?).

I've looked, and apparently Jason Scott at archive.org had uploaded a small number of classic b&w 68k Macintosh apps and games.

However, I've tried and I cannot find a contact email listed for him anywhere on the site. I can't even find a generic contact email for the archive.

I absolutely want to do this and already looked into it myself- do you know how to get in touch with anyone there?

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I did some searching and found a "contribute" page but it owuldn't let me continue without a login.
So I created a quick login and switched over to the software part of archive.org but when I hit upload it still only mentions videos and audio recordings to upload. So I don't know if that includes software or not as I have nothing to experiment with.

I did find this contact page:
https://archive.org/about/contact.php

Looks like there's something of a forum and a FAQ with a contact email if that doesn't turn anything up.

I don't know if this is what you were looking for. Kind of wish I had something to contribute now. I'd kind of like to know.

This page might help too. Not sure if you have to be logged in to see it or not.
https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/ar...new-item-page-
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