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02-14-2020 02:33 PM
xxicrimsonixx I think that unless games are optimized to load textures in a specific way that somehow magically makes the PS5 load lightning fast, I think it will simply finally make consoles on-par with PC.
02-14-2020 08:30 AM
qwertymac93
Quote: Originally Posted by TheBDK View Post
Oh yeah, and they'll use special plastic like the 360 hdd and demand a premium for that special plastic. Hopefully, people will be smarter these but I kind of doubt it. People still preorder ....
The 360's hard drive wasn't just a "make money from special plastic" scheme. That was a time when memory cards were still the primary storage device on consoles. Gamers were used to pulling out their card and going to a friends house with an extra controller and playing with their saves. Microsoft wanted that same use case to be applicable with the hard drive and there wasn't an industry standard form factor that was rugged enough to do that, so they made their own. They couldn't just use a USB or FireWire drive because USB was way too slow at the time and they didn't want the 360 to look like a Sega 32xCD abomination with multiple power bricks.

Of course, they ruined all that with the HDdvd and Kinect years later, but that's beside the point.
02-14-2020 03:40 AM
hawker-gb
Quote: Originally Posted by Lexi is Dumb View Post
I put my old M4 into someones laptop like 2 years ago still at 98% health. Seems the M4 was stupid reliable for an SSD from a time where controllers were failing left and right and vertex horror stories were still scaring people away from SSDs as much as their insane price.



Im pretty sure most times someone talks about their earlier gen SSD still running.. its an M4.
I have Mushkin 60gb many years old and stil works great.
02-13-2020 04:42 PM
TheBDK
Quote: Originally Posted by Roaches View Post
I think Next gen consoles are likely to be adopting new storage protocol standards than old SATA especially for a product with a planned life cycle of 3-5 years average leaving out M.2 interface connection would be really disappointing for a cutting edge console or so they say.
Oh yeah, and they'll use special plastic like the 360 hdd and demand a premium for that special plastic. Hopefully, people will be smarter these but I kind of doubt it. People still preorder ....
02-13-2020 02:09 PM
Roaches I think Next gen consoles are likely to be adopting new storage protocol standards than old SATA especially for a product with a planned life cycle of 3-5 years average leaving out M.2 interface connection would be really disappointing for a cutting edge console or so they say. Thankfully its not my market of interest as gaming days are far behind me now.

Still have my M500DC 480 GB with over 480 TB written and still chugs along to this day at 88% life remaining on the SMART. I've had very reliable luck with their drives since. Unfortunately the QLC trend is a massive regression in performance and reliability concerns in the long term. On the controller side things have matured alot since the Sandforce days.

You can find good deals on a M500DC 800GB on ebay I grabbed a few when a seller was selling brand new sealed trays for 80 dollars a piece.
02-13-2020 01:46 PM
Lexi is Dumb
Quote: Originally Posted by Diffident View Post
I have a Crucial M4 that is currently in my pfsense router that I've had in use since 2011. There are more things that can go wrong with a spinner than an SSD.
I put my old M4 into someones laptop like 2 years ago still at 98% health. Seems the M4 was stupid reliable for an SSD from a time where controllers were failing left and right and vertex horror stories were still scaring people away from SSDs as much as their insane price.

Im pretty sure most times someone talks about their earlier gen SSD still running.. its an M4.
02-13-2020 01:14 PM
SoloCamo
Quote: Originally Posted by Diffident View Post
I have a Crucial M4 that is currently in my pfsense router that I've had in use since 2011. There are more things that can go wrong with a spinner than an SSD.
Yup, had a 128gb M4 as my os drive from 2011 until 2019. Still in use daily now just as a games only drive. Ive installed a crap ton of ssds over the years and only one failed which was some silicon power cheap unit that was under $20 new.
02-12-2020 11:13 AM
Roaches Honestly having QLC embedded on the mainboard isn't bad to hold the OS and small room for a few game installs. like old consoles that have an expansion slot having at least a single SATA or M.2 port would be standard.

As for the SSD market in general I do agree not liking the direction it's going as I rather get high capacity spinners at the same price as a QLC SSD unless formfactor is a major concern. Seems like Samsung Pro series is the only option for someone that needs SSD for mixed workloads.
02-12-2020 03:49 AM
umeng2002 No, I think SSDs just hide failures better until they completely break. That said, I believe older SSDs used more robust nand chips. In a quest for even higher and higher storage densities and lower prices, manufacturers haves sacrificed longevity.


I'd reckon most sudden, early SSD failures are from the controller crapping out and not the nand chips going bad.
02-11-2020 10:48 PM
8051
Quote: Originally Posted by Diffident View Post
I have a Crucial M4 that is currently in my pfsense router that I've had in use since 2011. There are more things that can go wrong with a spinner than an SSD.
From what I've read SSD failure are usually complete and catastrophic. It's been decades since I've had a HDD fail outright, I've always had warnings and have been able to replace HDD's B4 failure, but my Crucial Mx200 was a total failure w/no warning.
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