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07-22-2020 03:19 PM
HishGamer @r0ach if you see this post could you explain this: "Because anytime you load the software for any of these mice it gives you a completely non-deterministic result each time. Sometimes cursor movement will be faster and more responsive, sometimes slower. And it will never feel identical to how it did straight from the factory before you exposed it to the software. Makes no sense but that's the way it is." you mentioned that in this thread:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/375-...-people-5.html

Does that mean that I permanently changed my razer viper behavior behavior because I "exposed" it to razer synapse? or everything goes back to normal like factory settings if I connect it to another computer ? without razer synapse never installed on it.
07-22-2020 09:59 AM
EastCoast
Quote: Originally Posted by RamenRider View Post
It works only if you have input lag. If you don't, you don't. It's that simple. 2 out of 3 friend's builds I've tested did not have input lag. But as to why some people do and some people don't, I can only say that windows is garbage.

But I recommend trying the classic alt tab patch too. Might shave off a frame of input lag.
forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7168
Do you need to alt-tab out the game to get it to work or is is automatic when you log back into win10?

I'm also looking for the System Visual Options for Raw Performance tweak as well.
07-22-2020 09:17 AM
RamenRider
Quote: Originally Posted by EastCoast View Post
So is the DWM trick working for folks or not in win10? Getting mix messages.

I tried it myself and honestly didn't notice anything in MW 2019. Still experimenting though on win10.
Quote: Originally Posted by Timecard View Post
It works in win10 as noted above but I didn't feel a difference, prob since win10 is already pretty heavy.
It works only if you have input lag. If you don't, you don't. It's that simple. 2 out of 3 friend's builds I've tested did not have input lag. But as to why some people do and some people don't, I can only say that windows is garbage.

But I recommend trying the classic alt tab patch too. Might shave off a frame of input lag.
forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7168
07-19-2020 03:29 PM
Timecard It works in win10 as noted above but I didn't feel a difference, prob since win10 is already pretty heavy.
07-19-2020 02:50 PM
EastCoast
Quote: Originally Posted by SuperMumrik View Post
I felt less "deadzone", and my flicks seems to be back to normal quicker than usual. I work off-shore so I have two weeks break from gaming every now and then so I need some adjusting when I get home
Quote: Originally Posted by Layed View Post
this dwm **** is biggest placebo i ever seen xd
Quote: Originally Posted by Timecard View Post
I used one of the examples you linked to which was C code to kill dwm by suspending winlogon, the method does work and you can recreate using my GameMode script I shared in another thread. It's not perfect but if you wanted to try. Tested on Win1909.

Killing DWM in Win10 example using Game-Mode Script
Based on https://github.com/Biswa96/Junkyard/...er/c/KillDwm.c

1. Open task manager
2. Open Powershell as admin and import game-mode script
3. Edit the command line below to open the game of your choice between both sleep commands
4. Edit the second sleep timer to determine when to re-activate DWM via restoring winlogon. (in seconds.)
5. Run the command below, shortly after make sure winlogon is suspended (details tab) then manually kill DWM via task manager then wait for your game to launch after the first sleep timer.

GM-SuspendProcess-ByName("winlogon"); sleep 10; start steam://rungameid/10; sleep 300; GM-ResumeProcess-ByName("winlogon");
So is the DWM trick working for folks or not in win10? Getting mix messages.

I tried it myself and honestly didn't notice anything in MW 2019. Still experimenting though on win10.
07-19-2020 02:30 PM
Th3Awak3n1ng
Quote: Originally Posted by PurpleChef View Post
So after trying multiple win10 versions and tweaks, all i can say is win8.1 is king.
Well, I've installed Windows 10 v2004 today for testing and played 10 matches in CS:GO. Input lag is good and game runs even smoother than on 8.1.
07-17-2020 08:02 PM
Timecard I used one of the examples you linked to which was C code to kill dwm by suspending winlogon, the method does work and you can recreate using my GameMode script I shared in another thread. It's not perfect but if you wanted to try. Tested on Win1909.

Killing DWM in Win10 example using Game-Mode Script
Based on https://github.com/Biswa96/Junkyard/...er/c/KillDwm.c

1. Open task manager
2. Open Powershell as admin and import game-mode script
3. Edit the command line below to open the game of your choice between both sleep commands
4. Edit the second sleep timer to determine when to re-activate DWM via restoring winlogon. (in seconds.)
5. Run the command below, shortly after make sure winlogon is suspended (details tab) then manually kill DWM via task manager then wait for your game to launch after the first sleep timer.

GM-SuspendProcess-ByName("winlogon"); sleep 10; start steam://rungameid/10; sleep 300; GM-ResumeProcess-ByName("winlogon");
07-16-2020 04:04 AM
RamenRider
Quote: Originally Posted by PurpleChef View Post
So after trying multiple win10 versions and tweaks, all i can say is win8.1 is king.
Forget about your dwm hax and and power chords. some basic tweak in 8.1 and is performing way smoother with a better mouse feel om my setup.
W10 just getting worse and worse and you have to spend hours optimizing everything, and it still feels like garbage. In the end you prolly end up with bluescreen or random crashes after all disabling of whatnot.
We human adapt to stuff even tho its bad.
Im using usb interface and all that, and mouse feel is perfect. Forget about your "mouse being only usb device for best performance"
its 2020. If youre getting rekt in your favorite game its prolly because your bad, not your dwm or powerchords.
Im still waiting for a mouse graph / mouse movement recorder screenshot were someone has super stable mouse hz on w10. In 7 and 8.1 its kinda hard to not get a good graph.
You are correct about 8.1 but not about my gaming performance. Also you can only currently play PSO2 on Windows 10 and won't be able to use stuff like Xbox game pass.

I have found the rest of the fixes I need(hopefully) and compiled the rest into this thread. I highly recommend you guys try the Classic Alt Tab patch, hugely affects mouse movement and alt tab speed. Apparently windows renders a crap ton of stuff on the desktop.
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewt...hp?f=10&t=7168

But as I said, if you don't have input lag you don't need these tweaks. Maybe, just maybe Windows 10 acts differently on certain motherboards, or perhaps it's the installation. Whatever it is, it is fixable, I just need to find it. Also here's all the ways to disable DWM that I found.
07-14-2020 12:51 AM
ToTheSun!
Quote: Originally Posted by Th3Awak3n1ng View Post
Back in the days pro players had to use **** LCD monitors, at least at some tournaments, and somehow managed to show good skills, so?

The difference between CRT and LCD is obviously bigger than between Win 10 and 8.1 and I'm not gonna argue which Windows version is better for competitive, but "professional esports players" argument is nothing but appealing to authority and irrelevant.
Yeah, I suppose that's fair. I didn't realize I was producing a fallacy. Thanks for pointing it out. It's hard to notice these things when you prefer to side with actual data and capable people instead of feels and 0.5 KD forum scientists. I promise you I didn't mean it.

Again, my apologies.
07-13-2020 11:30 PM
Th3Awak3n1ng Back in the days pro players had to use **** LCD monitors, at least at some tournaments, and somehow managed to show good skills, so?

The difference between CRT and LCD is obviously bigger than between Win 10 and 8.1 and I'm not gonna argue which Windows version is better for competitive, but "professional esports players" argument is nothing but appealing to authority and irrelevant.
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