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10-17-2013 03:14 PM
TheN00bBuilder No reason, really. I'd imagine its the features and ports they have. I'd go and take a crack at a switch, if I were you. Here would be a nice one. It has some hood reviews on the egg; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127450&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Switches-_-N82E16833127450&gclid=COSOjYnynroCFUVk7Aodj08Azg
10-17-2013 12:46 PM
incurablegeek From the lack of response, I can only conclude that ethernet routers are now DOA and have been replaced by wireless routers - due to demand by gamers and home theater enthusiasts.

I think therefore that I might have asked the wrong question, so I'll try again. Would a MANAGED SWITCH be a better choice over an ethernet router?

From the Cisco site http://www.cisco.com/cisco/web/solutions/small_business/resource_center/articles/connect_employees_and_offices/what_is_a_network_switch/index.html
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Most business networks today use switches to connect computers, printers and servers within a building or campus. A switch serves as a controller, enabling networked devices to talk to each other efficiently. Through information sharing and resource allocation, switches save businesses money and increase employee productivity.

Also, prices for managed switches go from moderately expensive to mortgage the house and sell the kids super expensive. Why?
10-16-2013 05:11 AM
TheN00bBuilder
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Originally Posted by incurablegeek View Post

@ TheN00bBuilder
No need to be envious. I'm sure I'll probably come across as an elitist - again - but I need to be truthful in saying that internet speeds in the U.S. are pathetic at best. Actually we suck in all areas of technology but just don't realize it. Even China has high speed rail. Our trains are noted for being able to derail - while standing still.

Even Google fiber is half the speed of internet in Japan; and I think the last time I checked the U.S. is ranked about #20 (possibly lower) in the world for internet speed. Unfortunately we Americans are a passive people and don't speak up about how this slowsky speed is crippling us in international business.

My Comcast Business Class is priced about $110.00 per month and is nothing more than ADSL. Years ago, I had SDSL which was much faster. Comcast wants more than $1K per month for fiber optic. When I asked the technician why, he hit me with that tired old last mile argument. I told him that I had been hearing that since the mid 90's and was no longer in the mood to hear that excuse any more, especially since fiber optic cable is much cheaper to produce than copper. Ugh! Don't get me started on how far this country is behind in just about all areas of consumer technologies. As a professor from Taiwan told me, "you Americans have high technology in the laboratory. We have it in our daily lives".

Nah, TheN00bBuilder, no need for you to be jealous of my slow-speed internet. My striking good looks and rock-hard abs - well, that's a whole 'nother story. thumbsupsmiley.png

LOL, I'm using that last statement in my sig! Thanks!
10-15-2013 05:33 PM
incurablegeek @ TheN00bBuilder
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I'm envious of your Business Class internet. The best I can get down here is 6MBPS from ATT DSL that costs an arm and a leg. I'd imagine your service costs less than mine. 64.99 a month for me.

No need to be envious. I'm sure I'll probably come across as an elitist - again - but I need to be truthful in saying that internet speeds in the U.S. are pathetic at best. Actually we suck in all areas of technology but just don't realize it. Even China has high speed rail. Our trains are noted for being able to derail - while standing still.

Even Google fiber is half the speed of internet in Japan; and I think the last time I checked the U.S. is ranked about #20 (possibly lower) in the world for internet speed. Unfortunately we Americans are a passive people and don't speak up about how this slowsky speed is crippling us in international business.

My Comcast Business Class is priced about $110.00 per month and is nothing more than ADSL. Years ago, I had SDSL which was much faster. Comcast wants more than $1K per month for fiber optic. When I asked the technician why, he hit me with that tired old last mile argument. I told him that I had been hearing that since the mid 90's and was no longer in the mood to hear that excuse any more, especially since fiber optic cable is much cheaper to produce than copper. Ugh! Don't get me started on how far this country is behind in just about all areas of consumer technologies. As a professor from Taiwan told me, "you Americans have high technology in the laboratory. We have it in our daily lives".

Nah, TheN00bBuilder, no need for you to be jealous of my slow-speed internet. My striking good looks and rock-hard abs - well, that's a whole 'nother story. thumbsupsmiley.png
10-15-2013 03:38 PM
TheN00bBuilder Thanks! Also, I'm envious of your Business Class internet. The best I can get down here is 6MBPS from ATT DSL that costs an arm and a leg. I'd imagine your service costs less than mine. 64.99 a month for me.
10-15-2013 02:10 PM
incurablegeek @ TheN00bBuilder
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1. I'm only the equipment guy. You may have to ask someone else.
2. The TP-LINK has firewalls and port blockers built in.
But, it doesn't have the right amount of ports. Right. An idea would be a switch connected directly to the router? I do that with my router/modem, and it works fine; http://www.frys.com/product/7583486?source=googleps&gclid=CMPWx7DnmLoCFeHm7AodIBwAQQ

First of all, you're not "only" anything. Your suggestion was extremely helpful, because the TP-Link has firewalls and port blockers built in - Just what I am looking for! So thanks much. Also, I might be able to work around the limited number of ports. Just kinda curious why my original GamerLounge was $100 more expensive.

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@DuckieHo
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The data does not have to go through the router. For intranet transfers, data can go through only the switch.

Exactly what I would like to do. Briefly, here's my setup - and my conundrum:

1) 2 Win 7 64 bit computers - one for product design and one for website design and audio-visual (photography, movie editing, Media Monkey feeding Onkyo sound system, etc.)
2) 1 Linux computer (because I eventually wish to migrate to open source and need to learn Linux now; therefore kind of a playtime, non-mission critical computer, at least as of now
3) File Server for onsite file/work backup (also back up on cloud)

I really only need the 2 Win 7 and the 1 Linux computers to have access to the internet. But I need all 4 computers to file share - with terabytes of files transferred on occasion.

Question: Am I over-thinking this network in my desire to separate file transfer and internet access? Could be a really dummy question, I dunno. Also, how would I separate file transfer and internet downloads or searches, for example, to maximize line speed.

Note: All of this is CAT-6 cable hard-wired ethernet. I notice that the whole world has gone wireless crazy simply because wireless is convenient. Not wishing to start a separate (and possibly angry) discussion but I will never ever go wireless. Sweeping hypocrisy aside for a moment, I do have a wireless router, but only for my laptop and on an isolated line for security. Also, I have a Comcast Business Class IP Gateway modem, which I understand can be seriously programmed. I don't know how and I don't trust Comcast, so that's kind of an irrelevancy I guess.

Thanks guys - and I really am sorry to be such a PITA. It's kind of a genetic thing I think. smile.gif
10-15-2013 06:34 AM
DuckieHo The data does not have to go through the router. For intranet transfers, data can go through only the switch.

Visualizing your network might help us make recommendations.

Here's mine (documentation in progress):
10-15-2013 06:30 AM
bombastinator well it is a fairly oblique way to call someone an idiot and tell them to shut up. And given current knowledge it is not as nonsensical, self serving, and supercilious as it appeared at the time.
10-15-2013 05:10 AM
TheN00bBuilder 1. I'm only the equipment guy. You may have to ask someone else.
2. The TP-LINK has firewalls and port blockers built in.
But, it doesn't have the right amount of ports. Right. An idea would be a switch connected directly to the router? I do that with my router/modem, and it works fine; http://www.frys.com/product/7583486?source=googleps&gclid=CMPWx7DnmLoCFeHm7AodIBwAQQ
10-14-2013 06:29 PM
incurablegeek @ TheN00bBuilder, thank you so much for your suggestion and your kind support on the "irrelevancy". I used to be very active on OCN, but haven't of late had too many questions that I couldn't root out and answer myself. I kind of assumed/hoped DuckieHo would eventually chime in and lend us some of his vast knowledge in this area. He's a much smarter Duck than I am, that's for sure.

For about 15 years now, I've pretty much been a close my eyes and buy D-Link or Netgear products, so TP-Link is new to me. Most of what I read nowadays is for wireless routers, very little for hard-wired ethernet routers, so I'm seriously hurting for reliable information. Every little bit helps and is sincerely appreciated.

As my nickname (IG) would indicate, I am a bit of an OCD tech-addict, never happy unless I know everything. I can therefore be pretty annoying. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't too mindful of traffic flow, network speeds, etc. until my beloved GamerLounge got scrunched by Dumbo. Then I started thinking about:

1) How I can dedicate one network to internet information gathering and one network to computer-to-computer file transfer.

2) How I can supplement my Comodo (free) firewall with a programmable router, what ports on my computer are safest to use for internet downloads, whether port randomization is necessary for serious security, etc., etc.

Therefore if you know of any books to read that would bring me up to speed on networking I would be seriously grateful.

The TP Link you suggested doesn't have enough LAN ports for me (My bad for not being more specific), but I'll contact TP-Link tech support and seek their advice as to which of their products might meet my needs.

As to my incalculable wealth, I'm the kind of guy who pours all of his money into electronics but also has holes in his underwear. Priorities, I guess. biggrin.gif

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I just noticed that two more posts had been made by "b...." As to
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I did not PM you, you PMed me to start with and you were quite nasty.
That's quite true. I did PM you. I thought it better to do so than to muddy the thread with back and forth bantering.

Here is the complete and exact text of my PM to "b...":
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OCN is a quality forum.

Your comment "one of your housekeepers?" just hire a pro to build a network for you." is therefore completely out of line with what is acceptable behavior on this forum.

As Mark Twain said, "it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". wink.gif

Hardly what I would call "nasty". As for the semantics of maid, housekeeper, caregiver, I must sincerely apologize. The individual who stepped on the router happens to perform all of those duties. But then the topic of the thread was "Recommendations for Ethernet Router".

Let's talk about that, shall we? smile.gif
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