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01-22-2020 11:05 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by hazium233 View Post
I am just not dedicated enough. Actually I need to get more rubbing alcohol to get the AMD paste off of the 2700X. Fingers crossed that I don't pull the CPU with the Prism.

I took a metal ruler to the baseplate of the TS140P. Perpendicular to the heatpipes, my baseplate seems very flat. With the ruler parallel to the heatpipe direction, it is very slightly convex. Looked a little flatter than the pic back on pg 81 (but that was LGMRT I think), but my lighting is probably different anyway.

Will maybe take a look at the 2700X when it is cleaned off, I didn't really bother to look at the flatness when I installed it the first time with the Prism.
Sounds like you got it figured out.
Below images are of delided 2000 series. You can see the dies are side by side to width of IHS. The only part of IHS needing TIM seat/print is just a little bigger than area where dies are. I'm guessing at couple dry rice size dobs on IHS over where middle of each CPU die is will give you more than big enough TIM seat. I normally use rice size in center and end up with a circle reaching edges of IHS. If you can, do a practice seat to see if print is covering all of die. Below link has a little more info and images of TIM prints:
https://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/arti...064020878l.jpg
01-22-2020 10:26 AM
hazium233 I am just not dedicated enough. Actually I need to get more rubbing alcohol to get the AMD paste off of the 2700X. Fingers crossed that I don't pull the CPU with the Prism.

I took a metal ruler to the baseplate of the TS140P. Perpendicular to the heatpipes, my baseplate seems very flat. With the ruler parallel to the heatpipe direction, it is very slightly convex. Looked a little flatter than the pic back on pg 81 (but that was LGMRT I think), but my lighting is probably different anyway.

Will maybe take a look at the 2700X when it is cleaned off, I didn't really bother to look at the flatness when I installed it the first time with the Prism.
01-22-2020 10:04 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by Owterspace View Post
I know it’s bit me too

I’ve takin my stuff apart so many times it doesn’t take long at all, just a few minutes.
Used to be true for me too. Could build a system in little over an hour. Not a perfectly detailed build mind, but better cable management than many we see.
01-22-2020 09:14 AM
Owterspace
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
I hear you Owterspace, but it's no fun when delivery doesn't arrive until a day or two later. Been there, done that, won't do it again. Now I wait until delivery is in hand.
I know it’s bit me too

I’ve takin my stuff apart so many times it doesn’t take long at all, just a few minutes.
01-22-2020 07:39 AM
doyll I hear you Owterspace, but it's no fun when delivery doesn't arrive until a day or two later. Been there, done that, won't do it again. Now I wait until delivery is in hand.
01-21-2020 06:11 PM
Owterspace That's crazy talk, Id have my system gutted and waiting once the tracking said out for delivery
01-21-2020 02:59 PM
hazium233 I got a package today. Will probably get to tearing stuff out and installing tomorrow though.
01-21-2020 12:56 PM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by mark11 View Post
quote from h6833.12ttps://3dnews.ru/818946/ :

quote from https://3dnews.ru/818946/ :

They measured under the same conditions, just replaced coolers. Are there reasons why the into-temperature should be different?
They say nothing about doing multiple re-mount and re-seating of coolers. Therefore I'm guessing they seated coolers once. Only way to know seats are good is mount cooler several times and see of each mounting gives same temps.

8mm heatpipes don't need as many fins to same amount of heat 6mm heatpipes because of bigger circumference. Actually TRUE Spirit 140 Power has 17.36% more heat transfer area from heatpipes to fins than TRUE Spirit 140 does.

Not measuring the air temp into cooler each time CPU temp is recorded leaves room for error in results that recording air temp into cooler each time leave no doubt. They did not record air temp into coolers each time they recorded CPU temps so we do know that they were always the same.
01-21-2020 11:34 AM
mark11
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
I'm guessing they didn't have as good a seat with TRUE Spirit 140 Power as with TRUE Spirit 140 so CPU heat was transferring better to TS140 than to TS140P or air temp into cooler was not the same.
quote from https://3dnews.ru/818946/ :
Quote:
As for the evenness, it is very slightly convex, which did not prevent us from getting a uniform print across the entire surface area of the heat distributor of the LGA2011 processor

Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Because simple physics says 6x 8mm heatpipes and larger fin area have more cooling ablity than 6x6mm heatpipes with less fin area.
quote from https://3dnews.ru/818946/ :
Quote:
the number of aluminum fins in the Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 Power was reduced from 50 to 46, and the estimated radiator area decreased from an already modest 6950 to 6390 cm2

Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
To me that means they are not actually monitoring the air temp into cooler but air temp around the case .. so we don't know for sure what air temp into coolers was each time CPU temp was recorded.
They measured under the same conditions, just replaced coolers. Are there reasons why the into-temperature should be different?
01-21-2020 11:23 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by mark11 View Post
Thank You guys!


Do you have any tests that confirms this?

Yesterday I find the comparison between TS140 and TS140P from very respectable (among Russians) source - https://3dnews.ru/818946/page-2.html, which shows that TS140 performs better!
I'm guessing they didn't have as good a seat with TRUE Spirit 140 Power as with TRUE Spirit 140 so CPU heat was transferring better to TS140 than to TS140P or air temp into cooler was not the same.

Because simple physics says 6x 8mm heatpipes and larger fin area have more cooling ablity than 6x6mm heatpipes with less fin area.

Other possible variables are:
  • air temp into TS140P being a few degrees warmer than into TS140
  • TIM not being forced out to give metal to metal contact between cooler and IHS with TIM instead being a layer between them. (Bad TIM seat).
They say
"The room temperature was controlled by an electronic thermometer installed next to the system unit with an accuracy of 0.1 ° C and the possibility of hourly monitoring of temperature changes in the room over the past 6 hours. During this test, it ranged from 23.8-24.2 ° C."
To me that means they are not actually monitoring the air temp into cooler but air temp around the case .. so we don't know for sure what air temp into coolers was each time CPU temp was recorded.
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