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01-24-2020 07:44 PM
Owterspace This 3770K is the hottest chip I've ever owned, its brutal. It doesn't put out heat, at least not with my Thermalright coolers, its just internal. I don't mind too much if temps happen to be in the 90s running some kind of torture software. It reboots at around 105 fyi.. My X5690 is easier to cool, but it puts out serious heat. It gets my LGMRT and TS140P a little more than luke warm with a quiet TY147B @ 4200mhz with Linpack and very little case flow. I have the TY147A for it on the front of my case keeping my hdd cool, and feeding fresh air to my gpu. Its only a 100 RPM difference pretty much. Anywhoo.. Id say you are good to go, Looks like you could probably go for a bit more, but Im not sure how that all works so.. Enjoy!
01-24-2020 07:03 PM
hazium233 Missed this one earlier, previous post was in response to doyll.

Quote: Originally Posted by Owterspace View Post
Don’t be shy with TIM. Don’t be afraid to remount if you have to
Maybe if I am bored I will pull it and look at the print tomorrow.

Here is a similar Prime run to last night, although room ambient might be a tad less. It was custom large FFT with auto-memory allocated, no run in place. Anyway the test was about 6 minutes, the screenshot was with it running going to the 480K size. Anyway for the first size, it climbed to Tdie ~62.4C and held there more or less, until the second size. First size was at ~119W, the second was up to 121W.

AIO pump is really the Arctic P12 PWM. Chassis 2 and 3 are 140mm SW3 HS PWM

edit:

ran 10min small FFT on a whim. 36K length seemed to stop at 65C, the next length went to 65.3C. Power spiked to 130W here.
01-24-2020 01:46 PM
hazium233 I have read most of your thread over time.

I think the main confounders with this setup are partly to motherboard and partly the behavior of the 2700X. For the latter, it is going boost based on temp, and so watching it under prime the Tdie could fluctuate slightly from that. The 63.4C wasn't exactly at the end, the temp had come down a degree maybe.

The other bit is the motherboard factor, as the only CPU temp I can use is the IT8665E read "CPU" rather than the processor reported Tctl (or the virtual Tdie). At low load this matters very little as the Tdie and package temperature will stay pretty similar. Under load there can be a lot of disparity though, depending on how long it has boosted, and also how many cores get boosted. The difference could be nearly 10C from package to Tdie. With the TS140P it was only 8 max I think difference in Prime, but that was enough that the 147 didn't max until Tdie hit the 63.4C.

The trade off is that I could make the fans aggressive in the mid range, but this processor under light load will dance from high 20's to low 40's Tdie as a core may go to 4.35GHz. Since this cooler is quieter and less annoying I may make it more aggressive there. When I tried it with the Prism setup to boost CBR20 scores, it made it annoying when a background task started running at the same time as a browser.
01-24-2020 01:27 PM
Owterspace Don’t be shy with TIM. Don’t be afraid to remount if you have to
01-24-2020 10:28 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by hazium233 View Post
It is a Meshify C.

I had the Prism and the SW3's somewhat aggressive, so in that test the Prism would eventually hit the 3000RPM L switch limit, while the SW3 would go to ~1300-1450RPM. Rear GP12 would max at 1200RPM once package temp got high enough.

For the TS140P test, the TY147A went to 1200RPM near the end, I think it topped at 1260. SW3 were lower because the package temp went lower, unfortunately I didn't take a screenshot. P12 went up to 1700 I think. It is more the mid-range and idle that needs work.

Alternatively, to warm the paste before I removed the Prism, I ran Prime custom Large FFT at 412 size, which finished the first self test with temp at 68.3C under the Prism. I reran it with the TS140P and it only went to 63.4C Tdie. The amusing thing is the motherboard temp dropping under load, I think this is an effect of the broad tower and perhaps no exhaust. I think the sensor is somewhere between the GPU PCIe slot and the CPU, where it was getting more flow at low load states with the Prism (or the Spire back when I had a 1600).
Thanks for the info.

I'm guessing if temps were slowly rising and fan speed increasing then case airflow is getting warmer. My systems all jump up fluctuating a little for a couple minutes as airflow stabilizes, then stay pretty much at that temp as long as under same heavy load. At end of run they drop back to idle and temps stabilize again in a few minutes at end of run .. as shown in graph below. First one short run of Prime, second is encoding 6 sessions of graphics. The 5 temp/load drops are few seconds between encoding sessions.

I can post link to basic guide about airflow and optimizing case airflow if you like.
01-24-2020 08:51 AM
hazium233
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
So a little cooler and much quieter. Any idea what cooler fan speed and case fan speed was?

Sorry if you told me, but what case and case fan setup do you have?
It is a Meshify C.

I had the Prism and the SW3's somewhat aggressive, so in that test the Prism would eventually hit the 3000RPM L switch limit, while the SW3 would go to ~1300-1450RPM. Rear GP12 would max at 1200RPM once package temp got high enough.

For the TS140P test, the TY147A went to 1200RPM near the end, I think it topped at 1260. SW3 were lower because the package temp went lower, unfortunately I didn't take a screenshot. P12 went up to 1700 I think. It is more the mid-range and idle that needs work.

Alternatively, to warm the paste before I removed the Prism, I ran Prime custom Large FFT at 412 size, which finished the first self test with temp at 68.3C under the Prism. I reran it with the TS140P and it only went to 63.4C Tdie. The amusing thing is the motherboard temp dropping under load, I think this is an effect of the broad tower and perhaps no exhaust. I think the sensor is somewhere between the GPU PCIe slot and the CPU, where it was getting more flow at low load states with the Prism (or the Spire back when I had a 1600).
01-24-2020 06:03 AM
doyll So a little cooler and much quieter. Any idea what cooler fan speed and case fan speed was?

Sorry if you told me, but what case and case fan setup do you have?
01-23-2020 07:37 PM
hazium233 Got it installed. Seems like getting the Prism clips unhooked took a third of the time, and another nice portion was cleaning off the 2700X.

I didn't notice it when the Power arrived, but when I was installing it, three rows of fins were bent near one corner fairly substantially. I know I saw a review mentioning the same thing. I straightened them, even though they would have been hid by the vibration pads.

As for the install, it wasn't really all that bad. Fortunately the AMD washers hold the screws to the back plate. When I read through the instructions I thought I might need to tape the screws in on the back, but that wasn't necessary. The "top critical" review on Amazon complains that the install is so difficult even for an engineer, but I don't really see that. It might have been marginally more convenient if it could use the stock backplate, oh well. As long as the tiny screws hold, it should be ok.

I used my MX4 paste instead of opening the little packet that came with it. Used a grain of rice in the center, and two "half grains" above and below where I expect the die to be. This hopefully made less mess than the Prism cake of doom.

I also installed my Arctic P12 at the same time, I ended up putting it in between the two SW3s on the front panel, because it is easier to install 140, 120, 140. Finally pulled the GP12 from the rear exhaust. So I gained an intake, lost exhaust.

Earlier today I ran CB R20 as a last hurrah for the Prism. On stock 2700X core settings, Tdie peaked at 70.4C. First run with the TS140P and it hit max Tdie of 66.8C. I think room temp may actually be higher than it was earlier today too. Noise is more improved than the temperature though, although the fan curve for it and the P12 aren't remotely dialed in yet. I might rearrange the fan wire to headers, the free one the P12 could reach was the AIO. That one is locked to CPU temp and doesn't give me a curve to play with in Q-fan (just manual values in Monitor tab).
01-22-2020 11:05 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by hazium233 View Post
I am just not dedicated enough. Actually I need to get more rubbing alcohol to get the AMD paste off of the 2700X. Fingers crossed that I don't pull the CPU with the Prism.

I took a metal ruler to the baseplate of the TS140P. Perpendicular to the heatpipes, my baseplate seems very flat. With the ruler parallel to the heatpipe direction, it is very slightly convex. Looked a little flatter than the pic back on pg 81 (but that was LGMRT I think), but my lighting is probably different anyway.

Will maybe take a look at the 2700X when it is cleaned off, I didn't really bother to look at the flatness when I installed it the first time with the Prism.
Sounds like you got it figured out.
Below images are of delided 2000 series. You can see the dies are side by side to width of IHS. The only part of IHS needing TIM seat/print is just a little bigger than area where dies are. I'm guessing at couple dry rice size dobs on IHS over where middle of each CPU die is will give you more than big enough TIM seat. I normally use rice size in center and end up with a circle reaching edges of IHS. If you can, do a practice seat to see if print is covering all of die. Below link has a little more info and images of TIM prints:
https://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/arti...064020878l.jpg
01-22-2020 10:26 AM
hazium233 I am just not dedicated enough. Actually I need to get more rubbing alcohol to get the AMD paste off of the 2700X. Fingers crossed that I don't pull the CPU with the Prism.

I took a metal ruler to the baseplate of the TS140P. Perpendicular to the heatpipes, my baseplate seems very flat. With the ruler parallel to the heatpipe direction, it is very slightly convex. Looked a little flatter than the pic back on pg 81 (but that was LGMRT I think), but my lighting is probably different anyway.

Will maybe take a look at the 2700X when it is cleaned off, I didn't really bother to look at the flatness when I installed it the first time with the Prism.
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