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10-04-2019 06:22 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by eBombzor View Post
This is not possible with some recent cards from EVGA or ASUS (MSI/the AMD brands don't seem to have this issue) as they have this soldered metal bracket that connects the shroud and the fans to the heatsink. I have this problem with my EVGA 2060 and not even my 90mm fan can fit under those idiotic metal tabs that jut out like an inch high. It's ridiculous that they added these. Not to mention the screws that unscrew the shroud are covered under dense plastic now.

https://hardforum.com/threads/ncase-...ost-1043883004

Of course you can rip it off but that voids the warranty and takes a lot of elbow grease. ASUS card -> https://imgur.com/zqVruBd

The design teams went full Apple on these cards.
Bummer. I suppose if user has plenty of open PCIe slots a shroud from fins out past metal frame with fans on outside might work. Would make GPU over an inch thicker than stock.
10-03-2019 08:49 PM
eBombzor
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
I don't know what P600 stock fans are but probably not very good. 3x SW3 will definitely do a better job of supplying air to system, especially with front closed.

As Shenhua said, front venting is extremely limited when closed with maybe vent area equal to 1x 120mm fan. So regardless of how good the case intake fans are this extremely small intake vent area will limit their airflow.

Also as he said, GPU coolers are terrible. Not only do they dump heated air everywhere, they use thin fans that don't move much air unless at high speed making lots of noise. Simple way to help GPU cooler is remove stock fans and shroud and use a couple of 120mm or 3x 80/90mm fans attached to fins with zipties.Google images for "fans on GPU" to see 25mm thick fans on GPUs .. some are ghetto but some look fine. Another option is get an aftermarket GPU cooler like Alpenfohn Peter, DeepCool Dracula, Raijintek Morpheus, etc., but that is a lot more money than 2x or 3x 80mm or 90mm fans and some zip-ties. Here is one of mine using 3x Arctic F90 fans. I used PWM on this one, but used Arctic F TC (temperature controlled w/ sensor leads that slip between cooler and GPU PCB). Might need to move them a few times to get them sensing temp and running at speeds needed, but easier than trying to find fan plug adapters from normal fan plug to GPU fan plug. Some motherboards have GPU temp control on some headers and using PWM fans with PWM splitter using PSU power works very well.
This is not possible with some recent cards from EVGA or ASUS (MSI/the AMD brands don't seem to have this issue) as they have this soldered metal bracket that connects the shroud and the fans to the heatsink. I have this problem with my EVGA 2060 and not even my 90mm fan can fit under those idiotic metal tabs that jut out like an inch high. It's ridiculous that they added these. Not to mention the screws that unscrew the shroud are covered under dense plastic now.

https://hardforum.com/threads/ncase-...ost-1043883004

Of course you can rip it off but that voids the warranty and takes a lot of elbow grease. ASUS card -> https://imgur.com/zqVruBd

The design teams went full Apple on these cards.
10-02-2019 07:19 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by Dtshaw View Post
The paper with the tape is the method i tried and as said above the only holes are in the dustfilter. i even thanked you for all the information but if that's how you want to interpret said words and me asking questions. Live and let live
Really???

Your post about blocking holes:
Quote:
Well, if i am being honest blocking all the holes in the front panel apart from the fans sounds like a lot of effort and if the SW3 with it's static pressure can counter that without the need for doing that. I am more than willing to pay the extra cash.

Don't get me wrong, all this information will help me from here on and nothing is ever as simple as saying will X cure Y due to the variables.
Nothing there about you actually blocking the openings.


The dust filter in in very front panel .. in front of the fans. We are talking about the panel about 2 inches from dust filter / grill panel that the fans are screwed onto.
10-02-2019 07:09 AM
Dtshaw
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Leaving those openings open is like trying to scoop a bucket full of water from a pond when bucket has not bottom in it.
Fans with more static pressure won't help. We need to have the air only moving from fan toward back of case, not leaking back in front of fan.

All you need some pieces of paper and some tape or glue stick and cut paper to fit over fan mounting panel from inside of case covering all opening except where fans are.

If you can't be bothered to setup airflow so it can work why should I bother trying to help. You either don't understand how airflow works, don't care, or don't think I know what I'm talking about. Any one of those is good enough reason for me to stop trying to help.
The paper with the tape is the method i tried and as said above the only holes are in the dustfilter. i even thanked you for all the information but if that's how you want to interpret said words and me asking questions. Live and let live
10-02-2019 07:02 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by Dtshaw View Post
Well, if i am being honest blocking all the holes in the front panel apart from the fans sounds like a lot of effort and if the SW3 with it's static pressure can counter that without the need for doing that. I am more than willing to pay the extra cash.

Don't get me wrong, all this information will help me from here on and nothing is ever as simple as saying will X cure Y due to the variables.
Leaving those openings open is like trying to scoop a bucket full of water from a pond when bucket has not bottom in it.
Fans with more static pressure won't help. We need to have the air only moving from fan toward back of case, not leaking back in front of fan.

All you need some pieces of paper and some tape or glue stick and cut paper to fit over fan mounting panel from inside of case covering all opening except where fans are.

If you can't be bothered to setup airflow so it can work why should I bother trying to help. You either don't understand how airflow works, don't care, or don't think I know what I'm talking about. Any one of those is good enough reason for me to stop trying to help.
10-02-2019 06:45 AM
Dtshaw
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
How do you know what the airflow is if half of it is leaking back in front of the fans? Aslo, MP are 1600rpm while XP are 1200rpm. That makes a huge difference in airflow and pressure rating. The XP has higher cfm at same speed as MP, but MP has higher pressure .. so what happens is the extra pressure means airflow overcomes resistance easier and we end up with more airflow .. assuming you have blocked all openings in fan mounting panel.
Well, if i am being honest blocking all the holes in the front panel apart from the fans sounds like a lot of effort and if the SW3 with it's static pressure can counter that without the need for doing that. I am more than willing to pay the extra cash.

Don't get me wrong, all this information will help me from here on and nothing is ever as simple as saying will X cure Y due to the variables.

P.S Does the dustfilter technically not "Block all the openings"?
10-02-2019 06:37 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by Dtshaw View Post
Yeah, i see what you mean, though i have to say the Phantek MP 140mm fans i had generated a lot more airflow with the same amount of noise at the same RPM. It's not like money is an issue though.
How do you know what the airflow is if half of it is leaking back in front of the fans? Aslo, MP are 1600rpm while XP are 1200rpm. That makes a huge difference in airflow and pressure rating. The XP has higher cfm at same speed as MP, but MP has higher pressure .. so what happens is the extra pressure means airflow overcomes resistance easier and we end up with more airflow .. assuming you have blocked all openings in fan mounting panel.
10-02-2019 06:30 AM
Dtshaw
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Same applies to them. I looked at some pics and your stock fans look to be what Dogzilla07 said and I told you exactly what they are .. so while not as good as SW3, they are not at all bad .. and don't cost you your first born and wife to buy like SW3s' do. Block all openings in fan mounting panel becuase if there are any openings there not blocked or coverd by fans the fans are not pushing air thought the case like they should. It is much easier for the air the fans are pushing into case to come back in front of fans than it is for them to pull air through the filter and grill.

You don't need any rear exhaust fan. Remove all PCIe bakc slot covers and you will be good. I'm betting if you block all openings in front not covered by fans it will run cool and quiet with the fans you have .. that is assuming the GPU fans are not the source of noise.
Yeah, i see what you mean, though i have to say the Phantek MP 140mm fans i had generated a lot more airflow with the same amount of noise at the same RPM. It's not like money is an issue though.
10-02-2019 06:23 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by Dtshaw View Post
Ah, thanks for the info!. I am still gonna go towards the SW3 High performance PWM fans though!. I was thinking maybe two at the front and one SW2 at the back as i don't need the extra pressure for the exhaust fan.
Same applies to them. I looked at some pics and your stock fans look to be what Dogzilla07 said and I told you exactly what they are .. so while not as good as SW3, they are not at all bad .. and don't cost you your first born and wife to buy like SW3s' do. Block all openings in fan mounting panel becuase if there are any openings there not blocked or coverd by fans the fans are not pushing air thought the case like they should. It is much easier for the air the fans are pushing into case to come back in front of fans than it is for them to pull air through the filter and grill.

You don't need any rear exhaust fan. Remove all PCIe bakc slot covers and you will be good. I'm betting if you block all openings in front not covered by fans it will run cool and quiet with the fans you have .. that is assuming the GPU fans are not the source of noise.
10-02-2019 06:21 AM
Shenhua
Quote: Originally Posted by Dtshaw View Post
Ah, thanks for the info!. I am still gonna go towards the SW3 High performance PWM fans though!. I was thinking maybe two at the front and one SW2 at the back as i don't need the extra pressure for the exhaust fan.
You're not gonna get anything from them. They are marginally better than what you have. That at 100% fan speed.

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