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07-10-2019 12:29 AM
gtbtk
Quote: Originally Posted by specopsFI View Post
Thank you for the suggestion. Unfortunately that doesn't help, tried it already. But the problem isn't that severe, to be honest. I can't get the throttling to occur in anything other than Fire Strike Ultra. So maybe I'll just think of it as an outlier and not worry about it. Might take another shot once my new rig is up and running.
In my experience with my gaming X at 1080p the card never hit the power limits anyway even when Overclocked to get a 21600 graphics score in Firestrike. 1440p loads would hit the power limit. As my monitor is 1200p it was never a real issue for me so I didn't investigate it to much.
07-09-2019 12:47 PM
TwilightRavens
Quote: Originally Posted by specopsFI View Post
Thank you for the suggestion. Unfortunately that doesn't help, tried it already. But the problem isn't that severe, to be honest. I can't get the throttling to occur in anything other than Fire Strike Ultra. So maybe I'll just think of it as an outlier and not worry about it. Might take another shot once my new rig is up and running.
Could also try putting liquid metal on the shunt resistors, from what I have seen that raises the power limit and keeps it from throttling that way.
07-09-2019 04:54 AM
specopsFI
Quote: Originally Posted by gtbtk View Post
Not been here for a while. My rig is in pieces so I cannot test this. Take a look at he 1080ti bios flashing guide in teh 1080ti owners forum. It mentions the same issue with 1080ti when you flash a different bios and claims that you can reset the power limit using the nvidia-smi utility. The power limits is definitely a product of the installed firmware. At one stage I had a Galax bios on the card and it was pulling 300W but I could never get the card totally stable

I have not been able to test the nvidia-smi reset it but it might be worth a try. Let me know if it solves your problem.

The command to reset the power limit is "C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI\nvidia-smi.exe" -pl 291
Thank you for the suggestion. Unfortunately that doesn't help, tried it already. But the problem isn't that severe, to be honest. I can't get the throttling to occur in anything other than Fire Strike Ultra. So maybe I'll just think of it as an outlier and not worry about it. Might take another shot once my new rig is up and running.
07-08-2019 06:27 AM
gtbtk
Quote: Originally Posted by specopsFI View Post
Yes, the stock BIOS for the GTX 1070 Gaming X is 230W at 100% and max at 126% = 291W. NVSMI log of my card attached, this is when set the power limit at max with either Afterburner or NVSMI.

Can be seen in the TPU hosted BIOS as well: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/...70-8192-160602

Also, @gtbtk was running a very similar BIOS with his card, the 1070 Gaming Z BIOS that is: https://www.overclock.net/forum/69-n...l#post27352001.

Has the same 291W max limit, and he saw throttling at 105% = 242W. Mine hits the power limit flag at ~104%, which should be ~239W. Regardless of the fact that Afterburner and NVSMI show the current power limit being set at 126% / 291W. And maybe the weirdest thing is HWinfo showing max wattage being only at ~211W!

The normal troubleshooting has been done, aka DDU-> clean reinstall of drivers and Afterburner etc... Nothing changed. Weird thing, had nothing like this ever with my 1080 Ti.

That is exactly where the conundrum is. The BIOS should have plenty of headroom, but refuses to use it.
Not been here for a while. My rig is in pieces so I cannot test this. Take a look at he 1080ti bios flashing guide in teh 1080ti owners forum. It mentions the same issue with 1080ti when you flash a different bios and claims that you can reset the power limit using the nvidia-smi utility. The power limits is definitely a product of the installed firmware. At one stage I had a Galax bios on the card and it was pulling 300W but I could never get the card totally stable

I have not been able to test the nvidia-smi reset it but it might be worth a try. Let me know if it solves your problem.

The command to reset the power limit is "C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI\nvidia-smi.exe" -pl 291
07-04-2019 11:07 AM
specopsFI
Quote: Originally Posted by TwilightRavens View Post
There must be something else at play then, neither my 1070 or my 1080 do that but what I am not entirely sure. Have you DDU’d and installed an updated driver?
Yes, several times. Tried several different drivers as well. I had a little bit of a similar experience with my 1080Ti Jetstream after flashing it with a Super Jetstream BIOS. Since then Afterburner did set the power limit, but the card power throttled at 100% anyway. Only by setting the power limit with NVSMI did the card use up to 140% power. And it was a one time deal, after that I never had a problem with it even after DDU + new drivers. But this time NVSMI does nothing that Afterburner doesn't do as well, so running out of ideas. Maybe I'll give it another go on my new Ryzen build once I get my hands on the CPU...

Weird stuff.
07-04-2019 10:11 AM
TwilightRavens
Quote: Originally Posted by specopsFI View Post
So not a lot of love for these 1070s these days, it seems. I'm still gonna continue my monologue for one more message.

As said, my 1070 Gaming X was struggling a bit with temps before. I have now put it on Kryonaut and that dropped the temps. Like a lot. Last time FS Ultra stress test settled at 75 degrees, now it's at 63 as seen in the attachment. So that's progress.

But the power throttling remains. Is there truly no one with experience on a Pascal card that power throttles even when not hitting the set and reported power limit? Both NVSMI and Afterburner say that the setting of 126% = 291 W is sticking, but the card just overrules it and power throttles when reaching ~103%.
There must be something else at play then, neither my 1070 or my 1080 do that but what I am not entirely sure. Have you DDU’d and installed an updated driver?
07-04-2019 05:26 AM
specopsFI So not a lot of love for these 1070s these days, it seems. I'm still gonna continue my monologue for one more message.

As said, my 1070 Gaming X was struggling a bit with temps before. I have now put it on Kryonaut and that dropped the temps. Like a lot. Last time FS Ultra stress test settled at 75 degrees, now it's at 63 as seen in the attachment. So that's progress.

But the power throttling remains. Is there truly no one with experience on a Pascal card that power throttles even when not hitting the set and reported power limit? Both NVSMI and Afterburner say that the setting of 126% = 291 W is sticking, but the card just overrules it and power throttles when reaching ~103%.
06-24-2019 01:26 PM
specopsFI
Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
What's the actual power watts of the card when it's throttling?
A GTX 1070 with a *291W* power limit?
I know 1080's are capable of that but I've never seen a 1070 go that high! Where are you getting this reading from?
A GTX 1070 is supposed to have a 151W base power limit and 170W (100%-112%). Just for reference, 152% is *230W*.
Find out what the base TDP is at 100% for that card, please and what wattage it is actually using.
The newest version of MSI Afterburner should be able to read the wattage. if it can not, use HWinfo64 (it even has a RTSS plugin overlay so you can use it with RTSS). HWinfo64 will show the exact wattage the card is pulling.

I'm 98% sure a GTX 1070 can't go anywhere close to 291W TDP without voltage adjustments. You would need to really crank up the voltage for that. It definitely can't do that at 1.031v for sure.
291W TDP is modded GTX 1080 territory. You mentioned "126% TDP". 126% from a 150W base is exactly 200W.
Yes, the stock BIOS for the GTX 1070 Gaming X is 230W at 100% and max at 126% = 291W. NVSMI log of my card attached, this is when set the power limit at max with either Afterburner or NVSMI.

Can be seen in the TPU hosted BIOS as well: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/...70-8192-160602

Also, @gtbtk was running a very similar BIOS with his card, the 1070 Gaming Z BIOS that is: https://www.overclock.net/forum/69-n...l#post27352001.

Has the same 291W max limit, and he saw throttling at 105% = 242W. Mine hits the power limit flag at ~104%, which should be ~239W. Regardless of the fact that Afterburner and NVSMI show the current power limit being set at 126% / 291W. And maybe the weirdest thing is HWinfo showing max wattage being only at ~211W!

The normal troubleshooting has been done, aka DDU-> clean reinstall of drivers and Afterburner etc... Nothing changed. Weird thing, had nothing like this ever with my 1080 Ti.

That is exactly where the conundrum is. The BIOS should have plenty of headroom, but refuses to use it.
06-24-2019 11:45 AM
Falkentyne
Quote: Originally Posted by specopsFI View Post
So, after a long time of having a 1080 Ti that basically did whatever I asked of it, I have come across a Pascal dilemma. Picked up a nice first batch 1070 Gaming X with Samsung memory. Seems like an okay chip, but two things are causing me to wonder.

Fire Strike Ultra Stress test passes without a hitch at 1.031V / core 2088MHz / mem +600MHz. The first problem is that the temps seem a bit high, but of this I'm not sure. At those volts and fans at 100% I would have expected more along the lines of 70 degrees max in stead of 74-75. Airflow is a plenty but ambient temp around 24-25 degrees so could explain it. Still, not nice seeing such a large cooler having the clocks come down by three clock bins even running full steam. Does anyone have an opinion if those temps are normal? Will most likely change paste eventually, but would still like to hear opinions.

But the second problem really baffles me. One of the best qualities of the 1070 Gaming X has always been its generous (comparably) power limit. But no matter what I do, this card power throttles when power hits 104% (limit set at 126%). I tried searching the forum about what's going on here and came across @gtbtk and @Falkentyne talking about similar problems but from my understanding, only when cross-flashing with a BIOS of a different card. My card is on its original BIOS.

I've tried using NVSMI to both read and set my power limit and it says it applies the full 291W. But the card still throttles with power limit flag as seen in the attachment.

Is this a wide spread issue and does anyone have ideas on how to troubleshoot? Would be nice to push this elderly beyond 2.1GHz.
What's the actual power watts of the card when it's throttling?
A GTX 1070 with a *291W* power limit?
I know 1080's are capable of that but I've never seen a 1070 go that high! Where are you getting this reading from?
A GTX 1070 is supposed to have a 151W base power limit and 170W (100%-112%). Just for reference, 152% is *230W*.
Find out what the base TDP is at 100% for that card, please and what wattage it is actually using.
The newest version of MSI Afterburner should be able to read the wattage. if it can not, use HWinfo64 (it even has a RTSS plugin overlay so you can use it with RTSS). HWinfo64 will show the exact wattage the card is pulling.

I'm 98% sure a GTX 1070 can't go anywhere close to 291W TDP without voltage adjustments. You would need to really crank up the voltage for that. It definitely can't do that at 1.031v for sure.
291W TDP is modded GTX 1080 territory. You mentioned "126% TDP". 126% from a 150W base is exactly 200W.
06-24-2019 11:06 AM
specopsFI So, after a long time of having a 1080 Ti that basically did whatever I asked of it, I have come across a Pascal dilemma. Picked up a nice first batch 1070 Gaming X with Samsung memory. Seems like an okay chip, but two things are causing me to wonder.

Fire Strike Ultra Stress test passes without a hitch at 1.031V / core 2088MHz / mem +600MHz. The first problem is that the temps seem a bit high, but of this I'm not sure. At those volts and fans at 100% I would have expected more along the lines of 70 degrees max in stead of 74-75. Airflow is a plenty but ambient temp around 24-25 degrees so could explain it. Still, not nice seeing such a large cooler having the clocks come down by three clock bins even running full steam. Does anyone have an opinion if those temps are normal? Will most likely change paste eventually, but would still like to hear opinions.

But the second problem really baffles me. One of the best qualities of the 1070 Gaming X has always been its generous (comparably) power limit. But no matter what I do, this card power throttles when power hits 104% (limit set at 126%). I tried searching the forum about what's going on here and came across @gtbtk and @Falkentyne talking about similar problems but from my understanding, only when cross-flashing with a BIOS of a different card. My card is on its original BIOS.

I've tried using NVSMI to both read and set my power limit and it says it applies the full 291W. But the card still throttles with power limit flag as seen in the attachment.

Is this a wide spread issue and does anyone have ideas on how to troubleshoot? Would be nice to push this elderly beyond 2.1GHz.
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