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09-15-2019 01:09 PM
makatech
Quote: Originally Posted by Acidstorm View Post
That's the plan. It may not be worth it, but once I get things I'm going to see what I can do with the board and keep track of performance. Gonna see what my Corsair Vengeance memory can do as well. I actually have it running at 3000, when the previous BIOS (42xx) I forget the specific number, but I hadn't updated since December, it seems to really made a difference. Until that point, I could only get it to OC to 2800 stable. My RAM is 2400 Corsair Vengeance, with Hynix MFR chips, so it was by no means a good overclocker. Now that RAM is sanely priced again, I want to get some 3600 RAM, possibly that new Trident Neo stuff, but I am not sure if the X370 board is going to handle that or not with my R5 1600. It would be interesting to see what happens when I put a 3000 series Ryzen in there and see if the memory controller is any better than my 1600. I haven't had a chance to test any high speed RAM, it's possible my 1600 has a decent memory controller, and I just don't know it.

The other reason I was going to upgrade the board was so that I could take this platform and kick it down to my younger brother. He has an old Q6600 CPU, and I already gave him an RX 580 GPU. I had two RX 580 GPU in X-fire, and both died. Both were XFX boards, something fried in the circuit board traces. I could see dark spots on the board, was very odd because I kept the cards in a well ventilated chassis. While they were on RMA, I decided to pick up an RTX 2060, because I wasn't entirely sure XFX would honor the warranty on the cards or not. Anyhow, they sent me 2 brand new XFX RX 580s and gave one to my bro and the other is still sealed in the box. Once I set him up with this mobo I could set up x-fire for him, but I don't think it's worth it these days. Most games avoid it don't enable it, or optimize for it, so probably best to just keep as a spare.
Being nice to your brother is a very good thing. :-)

For me the difference is big between 1600X and 3700X on this board but I do have Samsung B-die sticks, currently running 3600MT/s. I had major issues getting anything faster than 3200MT/s stable for my 1600X.
09-15-2019 10:22 AM
jsparakov I'm getting blue screens after a few minutes of use in Windows with 5220 and RAM without DOCP 2400 mhz. Went back to 5216, RAM 5355 mhz stable.
09-15-2019 07:58 AM
Acidstorm
Quote: Originally Posted by makatech View Post
Will be interesting to see if you stay with your Asus X370 Prime pro board or not for the 3700X. Not sure if X570 will get you better benchmarks (probably very small differences) but better RAM definitely will. Investing in M.2. Pci-e 4.0 and running it on a X570 board will give you better disk speed but not sure if it's something you will notice yourself.

I'm a bit confused about the generosity from AMD. Depending on the board the Ryzen 3 series seem to run great on most X370 and B350 boards. I believe there are lists out there showing which boards to avoid (lots have to do with VRM capacity).

If starting with your X370 board and then switching to X570 I'm really curious/interested in differences in benchmarks.
That's the plan. It may not be worth it, but once I get things I'm going to see what I can do with the board and keep track of performance. Gonna see what my Corsair Vengeance memory can do as well. I actually have it running at 3000, when the previous BIOS (42xx) I forget the specific number, but I hadn't updated since December, it seems to really made a difference. Until that point, I could only get it to OC to 2800 stable. My RAM is 2400 Corsair Vengeance, with Hynix MFR chips, so it was by no means a good overclocker. Now that RAM is sanely priced again, I want to get some 3600 RAM, possibly that new Trident Neo stuff, but I am not sure if the X370 board is going to handle that or not with my R5 1600. It would be interesting to see what happens when I put a 3000 series Ryzen in there and see if the memory controller is any better than my 1600. I haven't had a chance to test any high speed RAM, it's possible my 1600 has a decent memory controller, and I just don't know it.

The other reason I was going to upgrade the board was so that I could take this platform and kick it down to my younger brother. He has an old Q6600 CPU, and I already gave him an RX 580 GPU. I had two RX 580 GPU in X-fire, and both died. Both were XFX boards, something fried in the circuit board traces. I could see dark spots on the board, was very odd because I kept the cards in a well ventilated chassis. While they were on RMA, I decided to pick up an RTX 2060, because I wasn't entirely sure XFX would honor the warranty on the cards or not. Anyhow, they sent me 2 brand new XFX RX 580s and gave one to my bro and the other is still sealed in the box. Once I set him up with this mobo I could set up x-fire for him, but I don't think it's worth it these days. Most games avoid it don't enable it, or optimize for it, so probably best to just keep as a spare.
09-15-2019 03:13 AM
makatech
Quote: Originally Posted by Acidstorm View Post
I'll be upgrading to a 3600 or 3700X pretty soon, and I'll be using the Prime X370 for a while, but I definitely want to get a X570 board for better memory support and that PCI-e 4.0 for fast M.2.
Will be interesting to see if you stay with your Asus X370 Prime pro board or not for the 3700X. Not sure if X570 will get you better benchmarks (probably very small differences) but better RAM definitely will. Investing in M.2. Pci-e 4.0 and running it on a X570 board will give you better disk speed but not sure if it's something you will notice yourself.

I'm a bit confused about the generosity from AMD. Depending on the board the Ryzen 3 series seem to run great on most X370 and B350 boards. I believe there are lists out there showing which boards to avoid (lots have to do with VRM capacity).

If starting with your X370 board and then switching to X570 I'm really curious/interested in differences in benchmarks.
09-14-2019 10:33 PM
Acidstorm Just installed 5216 on my PC today. First time I have been able to OC my RAM to 2933 stable. I could run it before, but it would crash on me every now and then. I used the settings from Ryzen DRAM calculator. First time settings based on that have also worked with only a couple minor tweaks. Also the first time I've been able to hit 2933 with only 1.4v.

I know most RAM should be able to do that with lower voltage, but this is Hynix M-die dual rank stuff I'm dealing with. It's XMP is rated at 2400, so getting it to 2933 stable is pretty good for me.

I'll be upgrading to a 3600 or 3700X pretty soon, and I'll be using the Prime X370 for a while, but I definitely want to get a X570 board for better memory support and that PCI-e 4.0 for fast M.2. And some better RAM that's already built for 3600 speeds, like the new Trident Neo stuff I read about. Not sure how good it is, but by the time I get around to buying an X570 board and RAM, we'll know if it's good or not.
09-14-2019 01:28 PM
makatech Ok, I am officially confused.

PBO isn't working at all on this test 5220 bios, right?

I thought I have been running PBO the whole time but maybe I have been running "Auto Overclock"?

Edit: Maybe pbo works after all but I'm still very confused about the difference between Auto Overclock and PBO.

If choosing manual and setting values for ppt, tdc and edc then it shows up like Auto Overclock in Ryzen Master.

If choosing enable for PBO and leaving everything else on Auto then Ryzen Master tells me Precision Boost Overdrive is enabled/running.
09-14-2019 08:07 AM
makatech Trying test bios 5220 and looking fine so far I think.

Running my memories in 3600MT/[email protected] but my 3700X CPU in stock settings

Passmark PerformanceTest results:
Memory Mark: 3205
CPU Mark: 25465

Geekbench 5
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/147209

I have seen 44.0X in boost but only short period of time.
09-14-2019 06:44 AM
makatech
Quote: Originally Posted by mat9v View Post
My thoughts on ZEN2
I bought 3900X and after literally waiting 2 months for it I was finally able to install it. In the meantime I got X570 Prime Pro because.... well I had money waiting for a CPU ant it was late to the party ... but anyway from what I observed VRM is not an issue in any way whatsoever. From the beginning:
- I have an Alphacool Eisbaer 420 cooler on it mounted on liquid metal in push-pull config
- CPU on latest beta bios is able to boost to 4.6Ghz on 1-2 cores, but only for a moment and on auto CB20 reaches about 7100p (on older around 6900p)
- but it can be increased to 7650p with manual OC
- but in this ZEN2 is really problematic, for example, AMD lied that AVX2 does not require any offset compared to AVX or simple Float operations, and so while I can run CB20 in a loop or CPU-Z benchmark or anything really at [email protected] and keep temps at most 82C any attempt to run Prime95 AVX2 code at that speed results in instant 95C and reboot a second later (thank you Asus for the reboot or my CPU would probably by fried), to run AVX2 code I have to lower clock to 4.1-4.2Ghz on 1.15-1.2V to keep temps below 85C and 92C respectively
- and no, my cooling solution is not inadequate (I think) since the temp rise is almost instantaneous
- and I can keep regular temps below 80C for over 220W reported from CPU
- memory on ZEN2 (and X570) is working great, my old modules that refused to go faster than 3000 on 2700X on X370 are working easily at 3733 in synchro mode with Infinity Fabric

Reading reviews that state that they pushed 3900X to 4.4Ghz on 1.4V makes me wonder how they cooled it or what they were running on it.
What all above was listed for? Well, I could never push even 250W into the CPU, which was possible for 2700X, without temps going through the roof so no worries about 3900X running on X370, frankly at stock it only uses 145W of power and up to 190W with PBO enabled and scalar 10X forced - in the same ballpark as 2700X with PBO.
You wrote: "any attempt to run Prime95 AVX2 code at that speed results in instant 95C".

My question: Was this in stock or running your system overclocked?
09-14-2019 04:48 AM
mat9v My thoughts on ZEN2
I bought 3900X and after literally waiting 2 months for it I was finally able to install it. In the meantime I got X570 Prime Pro because.... well I had money waiting for a CPU ant it was late to the party ... but anyway from what I observed VRM is not an issue in any way whatsoever. From the beginning:
- I have an Alphacool Eisbaer 420 cooler on it mounted on liquid metal in push-pull config
- CPU on latest beta bios is able to boost to 4.6Ghz on 1-2 cores, but only for a moment and on auto CB20 reaches about 7100p (on older around 6900p)
- but it can be increased to 7650p with manual OC
- but in this ZEN2 is really problematic, for example, AMD lied that AVX2 does not require any offset compared to AVX or simple Float operations, and so while I can run CB20 in a loop or CPU-Z benchmark or anything really at [email protected] and keep temps at most 82C any attempt to run Prime95 AVX2 code at that speed results in instant 95C and reboot a second later (thank you Asus for the reboot or my CPU would probably by fried), to run AVX2 code I have to lower clock to 4.1-4.2Ghz on 1.15-1.2V to keep temps below 85C and 92C respectively
- and no, my cooling solution is not inadequate (I think) since the temp rise is almost instantaneous
- and I can keep regular temps below 80C for over 220W reported from CPU
- memory on ZEN2 (and X570) is working great, my old modules that refused to go faster than 3000 on 2700X on X370 are working easily at 3733 in synchro mode with Infinity Fabric

Reading reviews that state that they pushed 3900X to 4.4Ghz on 1.4V makes me wonder how they cooled it or what they were running on it.
What all above was listed for? Well, I could never push even 250W into the CPU, which was possible for 2700X, without temps going through the roof so no worries about 3900X running on X370, frankly at stock it only uses 145W of power and up to 190W with PBO enabled and scalar 10X forced - in the same ballpark as 2700X with PBO.
09-14-2019 01:27 AM
MishelLngelo
Quote: Originally Posted by makatech View Post
Not sure if I can wait, I am curious testing 5220. :-)
Me too but I'm resisting. Just adding new AGESA doesn't mean all other issues are solved.
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