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04-02-2020 04:33 AM
doyll Your problem is not the front panel, problem is way more intake area being used than exhaust area to let air out. Your setup has 2/5th more intake area than exhaust area.


Do me a favor, please put the front panel back on and open side panels, and tell us what temps are.
04-01-2020 07:10 PM
sultanofswing Well I finally figured out why my water temps are higher in the the Enthoo Elite vs the 0-11XL, It's the damn front panel. The vents on the side of it are just not enough for the fans to get enough air through the front 480mm Radiator.

Removing that panel drops water temp 1.2 degrees at idle.
03-29-2020 03:22 PM
sultanofswing
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Honestly I don't care.

The simple truth is you had more exhaust vent area to let the air out that your 3x 360 rads fans were trying to push in.

Now you have more fans trying to push more air in, but they can't because there is less exhaust vent area to let air out. It's like a bucket with a few holes in the bottom. You can scoop it full of water very quickly, but it takes much longer for the water to leak out the small holes before you can put more water in. Trying to add water faster than it leaks out an it run over, not through the bucket. Tou can only flow as much air into intake as is flowing out of it. You have 10 intake vents with fans pushing into your radiators in your case with only 2 exhaust vents to let air out of case .. you can only flow as much air in through the radiators as is flowing out those 2 exhaust vents. It's an equal and opposite rule .. what flow in must also flow out. If more cannot flow out (2x vents of exhaust airflow) then that's all that can flow in (same 2x vents of intake airflow). All you are doing is spreading that amount your 2x exhaust vents can flow to 10 intakes, so each intake can only flow about 1/5th as much air as it could. I'll say it one last time, our setup can only flow 2x vents worth of air through all 3 of your radiators. So either use less radiators so you have more empty exhaust vents or use one radiator as exhaust so case can flow more air in and out.
Well i'm testing the tops as exhaust right now. They are NF-A12x25's, I have them set to a higher speed than the rest of the intakes and will report back with results.

I understand what you are saying but from my point of view the 0-11XL had less openings for air to escape the chassis IMHO.
I have all the PCI-E slot covers removed from this Elite so it should not have a problem getting air out of the chassis.
03-29-2020 03:16 PM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by sultanofswing View Post
All my fans on my 0-11XL were intakes, I used no Exhaust fans at all. 3 360mm Radiators all as intakes.
I did a lot of testing when I had everything in the 0-11XL and the best setup was all intakes and no exhaust.
Honestly I don't care.

The simple truth is you had more exhaust vent area to let the air out that your 3x 360 rads fans were trying to push in.

Now you have more fans trying to push more air in, but they can't because there is less exhaust vent area to let air out. It's like a bucket with a few holes in the bottom. You can scoop it full of water very quickly, but it takes much longer for the water to leak out the small holes before you can put more water in. Trying to add water faster than it leaks out an it run over, not through the bucket. Tou can only flow as much air into intake as is flowing out of it. You have 10 intake vents with fans pushing into your radiators in your case with only 2 exhaust vents to let air out of case .. you can only flow as much air in through the radiators as is flowing out those 2 exhaust vents. It's an equal and opposite rule .. what flow in must also flow out. If more cannot flow out (2x vents of exhaust airflow) then that's all that can flow in (same 2x vents of intake airflow). All you are doing is spreading that amount your 2x exhaust vents can flow to 10 intakes, so each intake can only flow about 1/5th as much air as it could. I'll say it one last time, our setup can only flow 2x vents worth of air through all 3 of your radiators. So either use less radiators so you have more empty exhaust vents or use one radiator as exhaust so case can flow more air in and out.
03-29-2020 02:41 PM
sultanofswing
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
So you added 480 rad as intake when in your other case you had more exhaust vent area. 011 has 9x 120mm fan vents plus rear venting, so your 2x 360mm rads were 6x vents in and similar area out.

By adding 480m rad you have extremely unbalanced your airflow setup. 10x 120mm intakes need 10x 120mm exhaust vents. You only have 2x exhaust vents. What you have is 10x 120mm fans trying to push air into a case that is only letting 2 vents of air out. End result is you only have 2x vent of airflow trying to get into your case though your 10x 120mm vent areas on your radiators. Airflow is like water. Think of it as a van with 12 open windows sunk in a pond. All water flowing into van mush also flow out of van. So if you have 10 windows with propellors trying to push water into van and only 2 windows letting water out, the van will only flow as much water in as can flow out those 2 windows. Same with our case with 3 rads on 10 vents with 13 fans trying to push air into your case. Your can can only flow as much air as your 2 exhaust 2 vents can flow out of case. You need to have as much exhaust vent area in sq mm as you have intake vent area.

Try turning off the fan on on radiator and I'm pretty sure your temps will go down.

Better yet, switch the fan on top radiator to be exhaust instead of intake. Then you will have closer to an even amount of intake area as you have exhaust airflow area in your case.

All my fans on my 0-11XL were intakes, I used no Exhaust fans at all. 3 360mm Radiators all as intakes.
I did a lot of testing when I had everything in the 0-11XL and the best setup was all intakes and no exhaust.
03-29-2020 02:23 PM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by sultanofswing View Post
Only thing that changed between the 2 was obviously the case and I added a 480 Radiator. Yesterday I took one of the 360's out and moved the 480 to the front and moved the other 360 that was up front to the bottom chamber.
This gave me more room to be able to add a exhaust fan at the back behind the 360 in the bottom chamber.

I'm not sure but just from the case swap the room ambient has went up 1.5 degrees, Nothing as far as components has changed.

Here is a quick little drawing of how I currently have it setup.
So you added 480 rad as intake when in your other case you had more exhaust vent area. 011 has 9x 120mm fan vents plus rear venting, so your 2x 360mm rads were 6x vents in and similar area out.

By adding 480m rad you have extremely unbalanced your airflow setup. 10x 120mm intakes need 10x 120mm exhaust vents. You only have 2x exhaust vents. What you have is 10x 120mm fans trying to push air into a case that is only letting 2 vents of air out. End result is you only have 2x vent of airflow trying to get into your case though your 10x 120mm vent areas on your radiators. Airflow is like water. Think of it as a van with 12 open windows sunk in a pond. All water flowing into van mush also flow out of van. So if you have 10 windows with propellors trying to push water into van and only 2 windows letting water out, the van will only flow as much water in as can flow out those 2 windows. Same with our case with 3 rads on 10 vents with 13 fans trying to push air into your case. Your can can only flow as much air as your 2 exhaust 2 vents can flow out of case. You need to have as much exhaust vent area in sq mm as you have intake vent area.

Try turning off the fan on on radiator and I'm pretty sure your temps will go down.

Better yet, switch the fan on top radiator to be exhaust instead of intake. Then you will have closer to an even amount of intake area as you have exhaust airflow area in your case.
03-29-2020 11:27 AM
sultanofswing
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Same loop sequence of components, waterblock and temp sensor loop as 011 loop was?
Only thing that changed between the 2 was obviously the case and I added a 480 Radiator. Yesterday I took one of the 360's out and moved the 480 to the front and moved the other 360 that was up front to the bottom chamber.
This gave me more room to be able to add a exhaust fan at the back behind the 360 in the bottom chamber.

I'm not sure but just from the case swap the room ambient has went up 1.5 degrees, Nothing as far as components has changed.

Here is a quick little drawing of how I currently have it setup.
03-29-2020 07:05 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by sultanofswing View Post
Not sure I am happy with this case over my 0-11XL right now.
Went from 3 360mm radiators in the 0-11XL to
the same 3 360mm radiators plus a 480mm radiator and Water temp at idle seems to have went up nearly 2 degrees at the same ambient.

Opening the side door drops the temp right at a degree, I think the bottom chamber is trapping a lot of heat and not working efficiently.

480 at the bottom is push/pull with 8 artic P12's (these fans actually perform very well)
Front 360 same artic P12's but only in pull
Bottom 360 same artic P12's in push mode under the midplate (this is what I think may be causing the issue)
Top 360 with 3 Noctua NF-P12x25's in pull mode.

All fans are running at 1500RPM at idle as the noise there is not bad at all.

I am going to do some testing this weekend by removing the bottom 360 that is in the same chamber as the 480 and see if this relieves some of the excess heat.

Case needs a better way to exhaust the bottom chamber.
Same loop sequence of components, waterblock and temp sensor loop as 011 loop was?
03-29-2020 06:53 AM
trawetSluaP
Quote: Originally Posted by sultanofswing View Post
Not sure I am happy with this case over my 0-11XL right now.
Went from 3 360mm radiators in the 0-11XL to
the same 3 360mm radiators plus a 480mm radiator and Water temp at idle seems to have went up nearly 2 degrees at the same ambient.

Opening the side door drops the temp right at a degree, I think the bottom chamber is trapping a lot of heat and not working efficiently.

480 at the bottom is push/pull with 8 artic P12's (these fans actually perform very well)
Front 360 same artic P12's but only in pull
Bottom 360 same artic P12's in push mode under the midplate (this is what I think may be causing the issue)
Top 360 with 3 Noctua NF-P12x25's in pull mode.

All fans are running at 1500RPM at idle as the noise there is not bad at all.

I am going to do some testing this weekend by removing the bottom 360 that is in the same chamber as the 480 and see if this relieves some of the excess heat.

Case needs a better way to exhaust the bottom chamber.
I put a fan either end of the bottom chamber (front and back) to help direct the heat out of the back which seems to help.
03-23-2020 11:41 PM
sultanofswing Not sure I am happy with this case over my 0-11XL right now.
Went from 3 360mm radiators in the 0-11XL to
the same 3 360mm radiators plus a 480mm radiator and Water temp at idle seems to have went up nearly 2 degrees at the same ambient.

Opening the side door drops the temp right at a degree, I think the bottom chamber is trapping a lot of heat and not working efficiently.

480 at the bottom is push/pull with 8 artic P12's (these fans actually perform very well)
Front 360 same artic P12's but only in pull
Bottom 360 same artic P12's in push mode under the midplate (this is what I think may be causing the issue)
Top 360 with 3 Noctua NF-P12x25's in pull mode.

All fans are running at 1500RPM at idle as the noise there is not bad at all.

I am going to do some testing this weekend by removing the bottom 360 that is in the same chamber as the 480 and see if this relieves some of the excess heat.

Case needs a better way to exhaust the bottom chamber.
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