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05-19-2019 10:29 PM
MattKelly
Quote: Originally Posted by Lolcarrots View Post
I personally know I definitely won't go any heavier than stock g303, but it's so awkward feeling for specifically this mouse. I have REALLY liked the super lightweight feeling on stuff like the croad m325, but specifically the g303 was different for me. I don't know if this is because of the angled sides causing me to ever so slightly lift upwards and the weight could cause me to keep the mouse more on the pad.

Have you tried using various tapes? Not PTFE or UHMW, but something else. If you know you like the protective plastic layer, that's actually pretty convenient since you could probably find something with an adhesive already on it for that purpose.
That's interesting you have a different perspective with the G303 specifically. I can't really comment much in that regard - I have one lying around here as well, but I don't use it because the slanted sides \__/ mess with my finger adjustments. I'm more of a straight |__| sides kind of guy.

I haven't tried various tapes yet (it's been in the back of my head for a while though). I guess I just don't know where to start. Every coefficient of friction table I look up mostly deals with UHMW, PTFE, etc... and you're right that it's convenient I have some inclination to what I liked, but even still I don't know where to start since it was just the flimsiest piece of plastic. Not sure what I'd be looking for (I mean, some type of adhesive dots yeah, but I don't really know what type of plastic / material I'm searching for).
05-19-2019 10:20 PM
Lolcarrots I personally know I definitely won't go any heavier than stock g303, but it's so awkward feeling for specifically this mouse. I have REALLY liked the super lightweight feeling on stuff like the croad m325, but specifically the g303 was different for me. I don't know if this is because of the angled sides causing me to ever so slightly lift upwards and the weight could cause me to keep the mouse more on the pad.

Have you tried using various tapes? Not PTFE or UHMW, but something else. If you know you like the protective plastic layer, that's actually pretty convenient since you could probably find something with an adhesive already on it for that purpose.
05-19-2019 09:49 PM
MattKelly
Quote: Originally Posted by Lolcarrots View Post
imo best way to achieve this would almost certainly be changing feet to a completely different material. teflon/uhmw etc are all used for low friction reasons, so if you want dramatic changes in friction this would be the fastest route

I really don't know anything about plastics, but you could try getting various materials and just cutting them out. anything that's used in machine work could probably do the trick. there is obviously a thing as too much friction hence not using rubber side of mouse pad and stuff, so this stuff can get way too slow really quickly. Some of this stuff can be pretty mean to mouse pads, too. Some really cheap office mice just have abs plastic circles that are the same material as the rest of the mouse. Can confirm it's a little slower, but it actually still glides. It's kinda rough upon first use, but it's on the more tolerable side. I doubt abs feet would be the solution, but weird things like that would definitely be the fastest way to make gains. Would have to replace those materials pretty constantly tho feelsbad

I've also seen people on this site actually talk about making wooden mouse feet :^)


Another thing that I actually hate myself for saying is lighter weight stuff MIGHT not actually be "better." I've used really lightweight stuff and I actually know you have as well, so it might sound weird since it obviously feels better to just toss around. I use a g303 w/ stock feet on a g-sr-se and at one point I tried modding weight down a little bit (still definitely heavier than some other mice I've tried) and it felt really off. I don't know what my opinion is on weight anymore even tho it's "obvious" lighter should be better. The entire experience made me pretty uncomfortable and I went back to normal weight G303. I don't know if this is just because I've used a normal weight G303 for a few years as my main and am used to it. I had issues with shape for the really light stuff I've used, so I have not had a proper comparison for weight alone on a shape I like until messing with G303.

I resonate with all of this post, haha. Just last night I did extensive testing on heavier vs lighter weight on mice (AB'ing two of the same shapes but with altered weights) solely because I wanted a slower interaction between my mouse and the pad. I've also done my best to familiarize myself with the physics side of all this, so between thinking objectively and testing my subjective impressions as well, I've come to the conclusion that I still do think lighter weight is better. The benefit that is gained from the heavier shell is indeed the increased feeling of control / stability, but I feel that's only coming from the side effect of higher friction. The increased inertia of the higher weight is a simultaneous negative in my opinion (most notably when doing fast corrections during LG fights, but also in the ability to stop large flicks with as much stability as possible). So in my head I'm thinking: light shell (when possible), but as slow of a pad / feet interaction as I can find (without static:dynamic friction being affected so heavily that smoothness is lost). Right now on my worn black G-SR I can still make incredibly light / slow movements if needed and the mouse will move very smoothly - it never sticks - but I know I can achieve even slower (in fact, I know I can achieve something much slower, because of a happy accident...)

So I was using some black hotline feet from China, and I forgot to take the plastic off of them. Immediately I noticed a slower and smoother setup than I've ever felt before (and I've tested a lot of pads / feet at this point...) Unfortunately the protective plastic eventually curled up on me and became unusable, but for that short period of time my suspicions were confirmed for me. Right now I'm using PureTrak's Original feet (the small blue plastic-y feet, not the HD version they sell) and so far those are the slowest feet that I've found. I've tried Artisan's feet in the past (both materials and in both shapes - doughnut hole vs the solid circles) and I've also tried the Hotline Master feet. I mention the Artisan and Master feet in particular because they were among the slower options I've found, however they both created that sticking effect where the static friction was too high relative to the dynamic friction, so I couldn't do smooth, slow, small movements. This doesn't happen with the PureTrak Original feet at all, and on top of that the dynamic friction manages to still be noticeably slower than the Artisan / Master feet. So that's where I'm at right now - still preferring lighter weight so long as I can balance that with a slow enough setup for pad / feet - and so far that's my black G-SR with the PureTrak Originals, but I know there is more improvement to be found here (those few minutes with the protective plastic left on were really nice, gosh darn it...)
05-19-2019 09:22 PM
Lolcarrots imo best way to achieve this would almost certainly be changing feet to a completely different material. teflon/uhmw etc are all used for low friction reasons, so if you want dramatic changes in friction this would be the fastest route

I really don't know anything about plastics, but you could try getting various materials and just cutting them out. anything that's used in machine work could probably do the trick. there is obviously a thing as too much friction hence not using rubber side of mouse pad and stuff, so this stuff can get way too slow really quickly. Some of this stuff can be pretty mean to mouse pads, too. Some really cheap office mice just have abs plastic circles that are the same material as the rest of the mouse. Can confirm it's a little slower, but it actually still glides. It's kinda rough upon first use, but it's on the more tolerable side. I doubt abs feet would be the solution, but weird things like that would definitely be the fastest way to make gains. Would have to replace those materials pretty constantly tho feelsbad

I've also seen people on this site actually talk about making wooden mouse feet :^)


Another thing that I actually hate myself for saying is lighter weight stuff MIGHT not actually be "better." I've used really lightweight stuff and I actually know you have as well, so it might sound weird since it obviously feels better to just toss around. I use a g303 w/ stock feet on a g-sr-se and at one point I tried modding weight down a little bit (still definitely heavier than some other mice I've tried) and it felt really off. I don't know what my opinion is on weight anymore even tho it's "obvious" lighter should be better. The entire experience made me pretty uncomfortable and I went back to normal weight G303. I don't know if this is just because I've used a normal weight G303 for a few years as my main and am used to it. I had issues with shape for the really light stuff I've used, so I have not had a proper comparison for weight alone on a shape I like until messing with G303.
05-19-2019 07:43 PM
MattKelly Thought I'd bump this to see if anyone has found something since this thread was created. I went on to alter some surfaces myself (i.e. sanding certain types of cloth, shaving with a razor, all sorts of weird stuff) and while I was sometimes able to create something that was *slightly* slower, it was always at the cost of the surface losing its smoothness or consistency.

So, still after a pad that is slower than my worn black G-SR, but while retaining an overall smoothness.
12-17-2017 12:28 PM
Zero4549 Going with the above post, if you really want a sluggish but still smooth surface, apply candle wax.
12-16-2017 11:03 PM
Zhuni I wonder if it might be worth experimenting with treating the surface your self. Grab a few qck minis and try out some different things
12-16-2017 03:50 PM
MattKelly Still no luck after more and more testing.

This chart from test-gear.pl compares a ton of pads in five different categories. The chart is in polish, so from left to right it reads:

- Speed (how fast the surface was)
- Control (this value was their one subjective column, based on how "in control" the testers felt - the rest of these columns were objectively tested)
- Smoothness of movement (rough vs. smooth texture)
- Feedback (ability to tell where the mouse is on the mat - rougher textures make the user more aware of how much the mouse is moving - glass pads, for example, are so smooth that you sometimes feel lost)
- Grip (how easily the mice stopped)




The pads that interest me the most on this list, are of course the slowest ones (light green text). Unfortunately they aren't really options to buy due to various reasons (i.e. Everglide Titan isn't made anymore). The KESPA pads are super interesting to me, though. I remember reading some forums and watching a video on the KESPA pads in the past, and they were essentially made by the Korean Esports Association with the intention of creating very high control (but small sized) mouse pads for RTS professionals. I'd love to try a pad like this, but of course it's way too small for FPS.

I'm thinking at this point I might need to look into different surface materials. Has anyone ever experimented with leather, microfiber, or silicone pads?
12-14-2017 04:09 PM
bigboy678
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Originally Posted by MattKelly View Post

Wow, you’re the first person I’ve heard say the Glorious is slower than the G-SR. I’m assuming you have the black G-SR since you didn’t specify it was another edition. If that’s the case, I’m pleasantly surprised! Can anyone else comment on the Glorious being slower than the G-SR? I’ll add it to my list - thanks!


sorry, i forgot i was a part of this thread smile.gif yes, i do have the black gsr. i have the glorious heavy xl and like i said it is slower than the g-sr. cant compare it to any others bc i dont own any others

dont know where you live but in the US the glorious is about $17 so really not that bad for the size/quality
12-13-2017 05:30 PM
springrolls Looking at it again it seems that most people say that the hien is a little bit faster than the qck heavy, so probably a no go for you after all.

But yeah look into the raindrop.
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