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03-23-2019 03:31 PM
ILoveHighDPI
Quote: Originally Posted by superstition222 View Post
Quote:Originally Posted by Zen00 

21.6" 4K? Can you even see the desktop icons at that small?

The point is to have pixel pitch well beyond diminishing returns, so everyone can pretend they have 20/9 vision.
Jaggies are easily visble at pixel densities far beyond this.

Human vision has different sensitivities to different types of patterns. “Edge Recognition” is one of the specialities of your eyes, but high frequency visual data overwhelms the photocell structure relatively quickly.
The way you “See” is a heavily processed image that uses motion and data gathered over time, from two sensors, to produce the image that pops up in your head, but all the HDTV marketing trying to say what pixel density is “Worth It” for the last 20 years has relied on a high frequency line pattern test that specifically defeats all of the mechanisms your eyes use to perceive fine detail.

It was effective marketing to sell corporate bigwigs on enormous upgrade budgets, and sell consumers on the new “High Definition” TV format that was supposed to be the best thing possible, but fundamentally anyone who has studied how your eyes work would have known very well that the marketing was misleading.

How people should practically decide on the value of increased pixel density is on a scale of diminishing returns.
Below 60 Pixels Per Degree you’re perceiving 100% of the detail, above that you start to gradually lose perception of some details that are too low in contrast or too high in frequency. Where a person with 20/20 vision will actually hit the theoretical wall of zero gain from higher density is around 300 Pixels Per Degree.
In general I base my numbers off the data here: https://michaelbach.de/ot/lum-hyperacuity/index.html
Or you can extrapolate what your highest posssible perceivable resolution is by looking at a lower resolution display from a greater distance than normal (which for most people gives results a bit above 300 Pixels Per Degree).
03-23-2019 09:50 AM
xenophobe I haven't used a monitor smaller than 30" in over a decade. No thanks.
03-22-2019 04:49 PM
JackCY Might as well buy the medical variant of monitor with same display at these prices.
03-22-2019 03:26 PM
ibb27 Preorder

Spoiler!
02-19-2019 07:10 AM
JackCY I think most buyers would rather buy a modern used car at that price. ;D

MicroLED IPS (with glow removing filter probably not even that necessary with FALD)... but the moment they make this at a good price they make many other panels outright obsolete in picture quality. Good angles, good colors, OLED like contrast, and if they don't bork it reasonably fast too.

I could totally see 20-30" OLED in "pro gaming" for their speed if they don't bork it by only offering low refresh rates with the electronics because OLED can do insane response times compared to LCD and keep up with very high refresh rates. On the other hand monitor electronics with very high refresh rate almost do not exist and only recently are we getting some better bandwidth with DP1.4, HDMI2.1.
02-19-2019 02:05 AM
ibb27
Quote: Originally Posted by JackCY View Post
This 21.6" OLED probably looks great, will it last? Who knows. Who will sell it? Almost no one probably because almost no one will be willing to buy it at a high price. It's a gimmick for other companies to buy, not for individuals.
Honestly, if this is the price of the monitor, most buyers would wait for miniLED monitors to invest that much money for new tech (if it's comparable with OLED and don't have some of disadvantages).
02-19-2019 01:39 AM
tubers Looking for a recent tv not sure how legit these info are:

OLED cons:

Black Crush
Macroblocking/near black chrominance overshoot (only with LG)
Mura/Vertical banding
Lightspots
Color Volume going down the more whites are on screen
OLED's response time so good that it produces worse perceived stutter.
Angled viewing still produces color temp shifting
Auto brightness Limiter

Is everyone ready to always change content to mitigate burn in? Specially with browsers?

Not sure how much regular folks want to babysit a display but I guess these can be treated as a more disposable display even when the prices are still pretty high.

They can also buy super expensive bestbuy oleds and expensive warranty that is the only one that covers burn in but imo better of buying oled close out prices every year than buying expensive oled with expensive warranty and keeping that for a few years. e.g.

BESTBUY 55 E8 = $ 1900-2200 + 300-400 warranty
BUYDIG/BeachCamera/3rd party/Google Express deals, brand new = $ 1200-1300 happened 5 times the past 3 months.

On a brighter note, oleds can produce very high brightness in HDR with little to no blooming. High brightness so long as there aren't much white on screen.

Having taken home two good FALD sets (Sony X900F and P55-F1), better to use it directly in front, not even 1 feet off center or else blooming looks pretty bad. Won't see such on an oled. FALD on a monitor might not be so bad since you're gonna be directly in front of the screen and usually not meant to be shared as a family tv.

Still, basically trading a can of worms for a pile of dung. Choose your poison.
02-18-2019 06:37 PM
JackCY
Quote: Originally Posted by ibb27 View Post
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If the price is true, LOL!
Quote: Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post
It would be awesome if companies went back to releasing monitors that people want to buy.
The problem here is that it's a repurposed "pro grade"/medical panel, this low quantity stuff isn't cheap but maybe it also has a decent quality (it should, but with monitors that's never a guarantee that high price = high quality). ASUS doesn't make panels, neither does Acer anymore (they made AUO for that), etc. LG is sleeping and cashing in, Samsung is pushing endless curved rubbish VAs on monitors while using much better flat VAs on TVs. Takes ages for the corporations (oligopoly) to innovate and investments necessary for panel making to bear fruit, be it Chinese panel markers or JOLED.

All that does happen is small companies buying panels and trying to provide at least something more sensible sometimes: Pixio, Viotek, Nixeus, endless small Korean brands, etc.

This 21.6" OLED probably looks great, will it last? Who knows. Who will sell it? Almost no one probably because almost no one will be willing to buy it at a high price. It's a gimmick for other companies to buy, not for individuals.
02-18-2019 03:00 PM
bigjdubb It would be awesome if companies went back to releasing monitors that people want to buy.
02-18-2019 02:42 PM
TUFinside And yet another monitor none can buy except stupidly rich people.. What's the point?
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