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07-04-2020 01:14 AM
reaver83 is it just me, or do these boards absolutely despise Hynix CJR RAM? Been seriously thinking of Dumping this 2x8 Corsair Verngence RGB Pro 3200mhz kit for a 2x8 Trident Z 3600mhz kit. Also, anyone ever had an issue were only one stick reported in CPU-Z, but it still reads 2 sticks in Dual Channel? Yes, I have tried swapping the RAM, and Yes, the RAM not reporting is in the same slot.
07-02-2020 10:14 AM
xeizo
Quote: Originally Posted by Whatisthisfor View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by arkantos91 View Post
Yesterday I finally had some time to do a little testing of "real world" use, in my case gaming.

I'm using 3600 MHz Fast preset from DRAM calculator. VSOC at 1.1, VDDG CCD, IOD and VDDP at 1.050.

Haven't touched the cpu voltages yet.

20 minutes of PUBG and the results scared the **** out of me. In my room the temperature was 27° C. Average cpu temps were around 68° C.

However peak cpu temp was a scaring 75° C. I was using Afterburner OSD while playing so I could keep an eye on temps every now and then and more often than not the cpu was over 70° C, not to the mention the all the heat made my 2080TI run even hotter at almost 80° C.

This is totally unacceptable, considering I have a huge case with fans, optimal airflow and an high end air cooler and my friend with a 3950X (which should run even hotter than the 3900X) never reaches 70°, not even as a one second peak temperature.

My guess is that the mainboard is the main issue here. I don't know if it's the power reporting deviation thing or not, but I think the mobo is throwing way more voltage than required. What should I do? Change power plan? I'm using Ryzen Balanced now. Should I really manually set the core voltage? What other cpu voltages should I tweak?

I really doubt going for a liquid AIO cooler would improve much to be honest. I'm afraid X470 is not really capable of handling high end Ryzen 3rd gen cpus.
I bought the 3900x some time ago and encounterd high temps also, compaired to the 3700x. I use a Kraken x62 and even with this temps did go high, so i did undervolt the cpu. I ended up selling it and put the 3700x back in, as for my daily usage (games) there wasnt a huge improvement. I learned from this experience that my next CPU will be a 65W TDP AMD again. If i had a bigger case (i have a PHANTEKS Enthoo Evolv ATX Midi-Tower) with better airflow and if i could tolerate more noise and if i did encode much, than maybe the 3900x would be the better choice for me. But i like it cool & quiet and for my games, the 3700x is sufficient.
That is true. I have both, on the 3900X H150i AIO was struggling replaced it with a NH-D15 and saw some improvement and less noise. On the 3700X the H150i is pure overkill, but I use it anyway nice to have too much cooling for a change 🙂
07-02-2020 06:45 AM
Whatisthisfor
Quote: Originally Posted by arkantos91 View Post
Yesterday I finally had some time to do a little testing of "real world" use, in my case gaming.

I'm using 3600 MHz Fast preset from DRAM calculator. VSOC at 1.1, VDDG CCD, IOD and VDDP at 1.050.

Haven't touched the cpu voltages yet.

20 minutes of PUBG and the results scared the **** out of me. In my room the temperature was 27° C. Average cpu temps were around 68° C.

However peak cpu temp was a scaring 75° C. I was using Afterburner OSD while playing so I could keep an eye on temps every now and then and more often than not the cpu was over 70° C, not to the mention the all the heat made my 2080TI run even hotter at almost 80° C.

This is totally unacceptable, considering I have a huge case with fans, optimal airflow and an high end air cooler and my friend with a 3950X (which should run even hotter than the 3900X) never reaches 70°, not even as a one second peak temperature.

My guess is that the mainboard is the main issue here. I don't know if it's the power reporting deviation thing or not, but I think the mobo is throwing way more voltage than required. What should I do? Change power plan? I'm using Ryzen Balanced now. Should I really manually set the core voltage? What other cpu voltages should I tweak?

I really doubt going for a liquid AIO cooler would improve much to be honest. I'm afraid X470 is not really capable of handling high end Ryzen 3rd gen cpus.
I bought the 3900x some time ago and encounterd high temps also, compaired to the 3700x. I use a Kraken x62 and even with this temps did go high, so i did undervolt the cpu. I ended up selling it and put the 3700x back in, as for my daily usage (games) there wasnt a huge improvement. I learned from this experience that my next CPU will be a 65W TDP AMD again. If i had a bigger case (i have a PHANTEKS Enthoo Evolv ATX Midi-Tower) with better airflow and if i could tolerate more noise and if i did encode much, than maybe the 3900x would be the better choice for me. But i like it cool & quiet and for my games, the 3700x is sufficient.
06-30-2020 12:51 PM
xeizo 70C ain't that hot, these chips doesn't start protection until 95C. With that said, your VDDP and VDDG looks high, I use 0.900 and 0.950 on all my Ryzen rigs(four). And you should have offset in the bios, I have it on my ultra cheap Aorus M, I run it at minus 0.088V with a 2700X. Also you could check SOC voltage, it shouldn't be above 1.1V, between 1.025-1.075V is usually fine.

I run my 3900X with CCX OC and have a fixed voltage using droop(LLC3). And a 3700X which I currently run with minus 0.05V offset, that one doesn't exceed 70C even in CB R20 but a 3700X outputs a lot less heat than a 3900X.

The 3900X is with a Noctua NH-D15, highest temp ingame I saw was 67C with 28C in the room using a OCd 2070 Super( a lot cooler than a 2080Ti, almost 100W difference in power consumption). CB R20 though will peak at 82C with the fixed voltage(scoring 7700+), which I think is fine enough of a margin to 95C.

All these chips have been running FAH AVX client at 100% load for 10+ weeks(too hot in the room now to continue), with constant temps of 80-90C. I can't observe any degradation on any of them.

Just to give you some refrence points! Cheers!
06-30-2020 05:50 AM
arkantos91
Quote: Originally Posted by Maracus View Post
27c ambient is obviously going to affect temps somewhat, I ran Cinebench yesterday afternoon and my ambient was roughly the same and I hit peak 76c on CPU and thats on water. If, your overly concerned that the mainboard is pushing the CPU too hard you can limit the TDP in the bios to 105w, which is what AMD specifies. I think I tried the TDP at 105w once just to test which ran cooler but you sacrifice the clocks speed which I think is AMD baseline 3.8GHZ

Edit:Whats your friends ambient temps? I know you said you have optimal airflow through your case but I would try taking the side cover off for 30mins while playing and see what difference that makes, when I ran my old case I used 2000RPM fans the ASUS Vega 56 unless I undervolted it would dump a lot of heat into the case causing my CPU temps rocket up
My friend has the same exact temps, he lives two stories down my apartment.

There must be clearly something wrong because I don't think it's possible that the cpu runs over 70° most of the time, the same temps I have when I run a Cinebench test, which is full load!

I don't think it's the Noctua ND14 not properly installed otherwise during Cinebench, under full load, temps would be even higher.

These are my settings now:
- 1.380 V ram @3600 MHz
- FCLK: 1800
- PBO: manual
- PPT Limit: 300
- TDc Limit: 230
- EDC Limit: 230
- SOC voltage: 1.100
- VDDG CCD: 1.050
- VDDG IOD: 1.050
- clDO VDDP: 1.050
- CMD2T: 1T
- Gear down mode: on (dram calculator says it should be off, but I've been told it off make the system highly unstable in games)
- Power down mode: off

At this point all I have left to do is manually set the cpu voltage. I don't want to run a fixed voltage because then it the voltage would never drop when the system is idling.

Best thing would be using a negative 1.0 offset but there is no option in the Gigabyte BIOS with that name...
06-28-2020 04:48 PM
Maracus
Quote: Originally Posted by arkantos91 View Post
Yesterday I finally had some time to do a little testing of "real world" use, in my case gaming.

I'm using 3600 MHz Fast preset from DRAM calculator. VSOC at 1.1, VDDG CCD, IOD and VDDP at 1.050.

Haven't touched the cpu voltages yet.

20 minutes of PUBG and the results scared the **** out of me. In my room the temperature was 27° C. Average cpu temps were around 68° C.

However peak cpu temp was a scaring 75° C. I was using Afterburner OSD while playing so I could keep an eye on temps every now and then and more often than not the cpu was over 70° C, not to the mention the all the heat made my 2080TI run even hotter at almost 80° C.

This is totally unacceptable, considering I have a huge case with fans, optimal airflow and an high end air cooler and my friend with a 3950X (which should run even hotter than the 3900X) never reaches 70°, not even as a one second peak temperature.

My guess is that the mainboard is the main issue here. I don't know if it's the power reporting deviation thing or not, but I think the mobo is throwing way more voltage than required. What should I do? Change power plan? I'm using Ryzen Balanced now. Should I really manually set the core voltage? What other cpu voltages should I tweak?

I really doubt going for a liquid AIO cooler would improve much to be honest. I'm afraid X470 is not really capable of handling high end Ryzen 3rd gen cpus.
27c ambient is obviously going to affect temps somewhat, I ran Cinebench yesterday afternoon and my ambient was roughly the same and I hit peak 76c on CPU and thats on water. If, your overly concerned that the mainboard is pushing the CPU too hard you can limit the TDP in the bios to 105w, which is what AMD specifies. I think I tried the TDP at 105w once just to test which ran cooler but you sacrifice the clocks speed which I think is AMD baseline 3.8GHZ

Edit:Whats your friends ambient temps? I know you said you have optimal airflow through your case but I would try taking the side cover off for 30mins while playing and see what difference that makes, when I ran my old case I used 2000RPM fans the ASUS Vega 56 unless I undervolted it would dump a lot of heat into the case causing my CPU temps rocket up
06-28-2020 09:29 AM
arkantos91 Yesterday I finally had some time to do a little testing of "real world" use, in my case gaming.

I'm using 3600 MHz Fast preset from DRAM calculator. VSOC at 1.1, VDDG CCD, IOD and VDDP at 1.050.

Haven't touched the cpu voltages yet.

20 minutes of PUBG and the results scared the **** out of me. In my room the temperature was 27° C. Average cpu temps were around 68° C.

However peak cpu temp was a scaring 75° C. I was using Afterburner OSD while playing so I could keep an eye on temps every now and then and more often than not the cpu was over 70° C, not to the mention the all the heat made my 2080TI run even hotter at almost 80° C.

This is totally unacceptable, considering I have a huge case with fans, optimal airflow and an high end air cooler and my friend with a 3950X (which should run even hotter than the 3900X) never reaches 70°, not even as a one second peak temperature.

My guess is that the mainboard is the main issue here. I don't know if it's the power reporting deviation thing or not, but I think the mobo is throwing way more voltage than required. What should I do? Change power plan? I'm using Ryzen Balanced now. Should I really manually set the core voltage? What other cpu voltages should I tweak?

I really doubt going for a liquid AIO cooler would improve much to be honest. I'm afraid X470 is not really capable of handling high end Ryzen 3rd gen cpus.
06-25-2020 12:46 AM
arkantos91
Quote: Originally Posted by Maracus View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by arkantos91 View Post
These are the values of a Cinebench R20 run with PBO On, Gear down auto, Power down off and vcore auto.

I saw that I got lower temps and vcore voltage than the ones with PBO off or auto (76° and up to 1.487 V). In all cases score was around 7000.

https://imgur.com/YOQ5Agx

Are the values good enough?

What does the Power Reporting Deviation mean? Why is it red?
Ignore the Power Reporting Deviation, Looking over AIDA64 all looks to be ok. The 1.487v you see is just what single cores will briefly hit during light single threaded work loads, 76c isn't that high for air cooling either I could reach into the low 80's running Cinebench R20 with the stock cooler.

Helps to have good air flow in your case and obviously low ambient temps helps also, I currently running a water loop that hits around 71c during CBR20.
Are you sure about ignoring that value? I’ve seen ok hw info forum that low values as the one I have means that the cpu is drawing way more power than needed.... that in turn would perfectly explain the higher temperatures I have.

My friend has a 3950X running auto which should be even hotter than my 3900X and he has lower peak v core and temperature. He has an Asus x570 crosshair viii formula without any power draw deviation whatsoever
06-24-2020 08:05 PM
Maracus
Quote: Originally Posted by arkantos91 View Post
These are the values of a Cinebench R20 run with PBO On, Gear down auto, Power down off and vcore auto.

I saw that I got lower temps and vcore voltage than the ones with PBO off or auto (76° and up to 1.487 V). In all cases score was around 7000.

https://imgur.com/YOQ5Agx

Are the values good enough?

What does the Power Reporting Deviation mean? Why is it red?
Ignore the Power Reporting Deviation, Looking over AIDA64 all looks to be ok. The 1.487v you see is just what single cores will briefly hit during light single threaded work loads, 76c isn't that high for air cooling either I could reach into the low 80's running Cinebench R20 with the stock cooler.

Helps to have good air flow in your case and obviously low ambient temps helps also, I currently running a water loop that hits around 71c during CBR20.
06-24-2020 03:44 PM
arkantos91 These are the values of a Cinebench R20 run with PBO On, Gear down auto, Power down off and vcore auto.

I saw that I got lower temps and vcore voltage than the ones with PBO off or auto (76° and up to 1.487 V). In all cases score was around 7000.

https://imgur.com/YOQ5Agx

Are the values good enough?

What does the Power Reporting Deviation mean? Why is it red?
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