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06-25-2019 11:34 AM
ReDXfiRe
Quote: Originally Posted by Hequaqua View Post
F41A Bios

The file size exceeds the limit to upload here.

Here is a link to my Google Drive that you can download it from though.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=16h...QzRwQkxvfDKts2

Do we need to really update the FW if we only plan on running two dimms?
Got F41a, thanks nonetheless.

Not sure if you need it. I'd still give it a try once RMA tries ECFW fix on audio. Nonetheless, I had always audio issues on this model. Noticed after I reviewed it. Sometimes audio would work low and fix for it would be cold boot machine to get rid off it. Happened from time to time. Hopefully today RMA can flash ECFW and test if the audio gets fixed.
06-25-2019 11:29 AM
ReDXfiRe
Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
I'm curious why it is labeled IT8733 rather than IT8686 or IT8792 in that tool. It's the same family of ITE SuperIO controllers but not the exact model.



I am unsure what is going on with the EC firmware update tool that is not a BIOs update and whether a BIOS flash would overwrite anything. Maybe not.


The main reason I could see for updating using EC firmware tool is because all X570 boards from Gigabyte are daisy chain and the ones on X470/B450 were most likely all T-topology. Maybe they implemented a compatibility fix of sorts.


The preliminary review on Chapuzas Informatica using the board has terrible AIDA64 memory writes (r5 3600) so I don't know if it's because they didn't use the EC firmware tool with their 2 DIMMs.
Yes I saw those results. One supposition is that for some reason IF is working at half speed? Wish I could have a 3600 sample to reassure that. Latency was really high unless change on CCX config has anything to do with it... Yet no sample on hand can't reassure anything.
06-25-2019 09:40 AM
AlphaC I'm curious why it is labeled IT8733 rather than IT8686 or IT8792 in that tool. It's the same family of ITE SuperIO controllers but not the exact model.



I am unsure what is going on with the EC firmware update tool that is not a BIOs update and whether a BIOS flash would overwrite anything. Maybe not.


The main reason I could see for updating using EC firmware tool is because all X570 boards from Gigabyte are daisy chain and the ones on X470/B450 were most likely all T-topology. Maybe they implemented a compatibility fix of sorts.


The preliminary review on Chapuzas Informatica using the board has terrible AIDA64 memory writes (r5 3600) so I don't know if it's because they didn't use the EC firmware tool with their 2 DIMMs.
06-25-2019 04:49 AM
Hequaqua
Quote: Originally Posted by ReDXfiRe View Post
Talked with Matt about issues with FW (my board got "audio bricked", no right and left channel, sent to GBT Perú RMA, hopefully they will try the new ECFW, they thought it was audio caps so hope they will give it a try).

Matt uploaded new file with new FW tool, tested on another AG7W Rev 1.0 board and no audio issue at all. Here is the link:

drive.google.com/open?id=1R9h9t1bMWMQxNtd-j2bL95GryIH_nL9g (Bin file 817)

Right now on F40 on Ryzen 5 2600X, asking if there is any new beta BIOS for motherboard, but no issues so far. If anyone has audio issues, might want to give it a try (always at own risk).

Instructions (I assume you are a F31 bios, at least I was before I flashed the new ECFW).

1). Download rar, unrar it.
2). Tool tells you what FW version you at (I was at very old FW version, 672 I believe).
3). Click on load bin, select bin file (817). Then flash. It will flash relatively quick. Don't close program. WAIT.
4). Wait 1-2 mins (took about 40 seconds for me), OS will reboot itself. Secondary BIOS might kick in (plug off power supply a min and cold boot it) and you should be on primary BIOS again on F31.

After that, on F40, did a quick AIDA64 test. No issues. 3200 MHz CL14 kit (no OC at all or PBO). Going to test bench 2600X all over again...

Btw, just wondering, you guys aware on 1903 Windows kernel high latencies on latencymon? Might have to bench on 1809 (no issues at all on latency/interruptions).

P.S. If anyone has a BIOS post F41a, let me know, but I'm asking, going to give it a try.
F41A Bios

The file size exceeds the limit to upload here.

Here is a link to my Google Drive that you can download it from though.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=16h...QzRwQkxvfDKts2

Do we need to really update the FW if we only plan on running two dimms?
06-25-2019 12:44 AM
ReDXfiRe
Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
If you're using first gen ryzen, manual OC is better due to the boost algorithm that tanks the clocks once you load it with more than 4 threads (even if they are not heavily used). In addition, you might be able to attain 3.8-3.9 easily on a R5 1600 while the stock clocks only 3.6GHz turbo + ~ 100MHz XFR.
I would suggest fixed SOC voltage and memory voltage , get memory stable first and then work from there. You could also use P-state OC but that isn't rigorously tested as PBO and manual OC are. Gigabyte's memory topology seems to like even timings more (it may just because GearDownMode is faulty in some BIOS versions), so if your kit is able you can probably do 3200 C16.

For 2nd gen R7 2700X / R5 2600X you're better off with PBO since most chips only hit 4.2-4.3GHz on ambient for multicore. R5 2600 you might be able to eek out more with manual OC since it's 3.9GHz max boost , the same goes for Ryzen 7 2700 to a lesser extent since max boost is 4.1GHz although 8 cores on 65W TDP means the clocks drop far faster since the power limit is lower (it goes by temperature, power, and the max turbo clock).



A power profile with <50% min processor state is required for the boost algorithm, it doesn't necessarily need to be Ryzen Balanced. With 90-100% min processor state it goes to ~ 4.2GHz from what I've seen.

From F30-F40 you need the new AMD chipset drivers (18.50.16.01 or later). If you aren't upgrading to Ryzen 3rd gen yet I'd wait for Gigabyte to make a less mysterious EC firmware tool and also for people to thoroughly test F40 and later.
Talked with Matt about issues with FW (my board got "audio bricked", no right and left channel, sent to GBT Perú RMA, hopefully they will try the new ECFW, they thought it was audio caps so hope they will give it a try).

Matt uploaded new file with new FW tool, tested on another AG7W Rev 1.0 board and no audio issue at all. Here is the link:

drive.google.com/open?id=1R9h9t1bMWMQxNtd-j2bL95GryIH_nL9g (Bin file 817)

Right now on F40 on Ryzen 5 2600X, asking if there is any new beta BIOS for motherboard, but no issues so far. If anyone has audio issues, might want to give it a try (always at own risk).

Instructions (I assume you are a F31 bios, at least I was before I flashed the new ECFW).

1). Download rar, unrar it.
2). Tool tells you what FW version you at (I was at very old FW version, 672 I believe).
3). Click on load bin, select bin file (817). Then flash. It will flash relatively quick. Don't close program. WAIT.
4). Wait 1-2 mins (took about 40 seconds for me), OS will reboot itself. Secondary BIOS might kick in (plug off power supply a min and cold boot it) and you should be on primary BIOS again on F31.

After that, on F40, did a quick AIDA64 test. No issues. 3200 MHz CL14 kit (no OC at all or PBO). Going to test bench 2600X all over again...

Btw, just wondering, you guys aware on 1903 Windows kernel high latencies on latencymon? Might have to bench on 1809 (no issues at all on latency/interruptions).

P.S. If anyone has a BIOS post F41a, let me know, but I'm asking, going to give it a try.
06-22-2019 10:54 PM
Echoa
Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
If you're using first gen ryzen, manual OC is better due to the boost algorithm that tanks the clocks once you load it with more than 4 threads (even if they are not heavily used). In addition, you might be able to attain 3.8-3.9 easily on a R5 1600 while the stock clocks only 3.6GHz turbo + ~ 100MHz XFR.
I would suggest fixed SOC voltage and memory voltage , get memory stable first and then work from there. You could also use P-state OC but that isn't rigorously tested as PBO and manual OC are. Gigabyte's memory topology seems to like even timings more (it may just because GearDownMode is faulty in some BIOS versions), so if your kit is able you can probably do 3200 C16.
Unfortunately my kit isnt particularly good (Cheap Gskill Aegis 1R 3000mhz cas 16) and it doesnt like to be overclocked much (maybe 100ish mhz) without causing issues with booting. Ive tried 3200mhz but it fails to boot and bios resets to defaults and i dont want to push too much voltage on the IMC as its good enough for me. Im not too worried about the memory because i honestly hate memory overclocking even though i was able to push my 1600mhz kit on z87 to 2400mhz it just takes WAY too much time and hassle for me vs CPU or GPU overclocking. Ive got 3.8 on my 1600 stable at this point so ill just be happy with that for now till i can nab a 3k later in the year and Ill eventually nab some better RAM with higher stock speed vs overclocking it. I was mostly curious if this board had any funny quirks with 1st gen Ryzen as most all the info i see for it is regarding 2nd Gen.
06-22-2019 03:23 PM
AlphaC
Quote: Originally Posted by Echoa View Post
So I've now joined the Ryzen ranks after many years on my z87 rig. My z87 rig froze then started giving me Machine Check errors and refused to boot and refused to post 1/2 the time so forced new PC time. Went with this board because ive had good luck with Gigabyte for many years through AMD and Intel systems + the REAL heatsink and Solid VRM combo on this board. Running a Ryzen 1600 (109$ on sale) waiting for Ryzen 3k launch.

I was lucky enough to hit the 1.55GHz bug trying to overclock and figured out it was C&Qs doing, but im curious if there's any other quirks when OCing 1St gen Ryzen on this board. Right now im running 3.8GHz with +0.1 offset (static better?) And 3000MHz gskill with timings tightened from 16-18-18 to 15-17-17

Im also hoping I dont need to worry about the EC firmware update on F40 BIOS ( i dont use windows) running only 2 dimms. Im assuming its because this board uses T Top and not Daisy Chain Ryzen 3k seems geared for but only time will tell
If you're using first gen ryzen, manual OC is better due to the boost algorithm that tanks the clocks once you load it with more than 4 threads (even if they are not heavily used). In addition, you might be able to attain 3.8-3.9 easily on a R5 1600 while the stock clocks only 3.6GHz turbo + ~ 100MHz XFR.
I would suggest fixed SOC voltage and memory voltage , get memory stable first and then work from there. You could also use P-state OC but that isn't rigorously tested as PBO and manual OC are. Gigabyte's memory topology seems to like even timings more (it may just because GearDownMode is faulty in some BIOS versions), so if your kit is able you can probably do 3200 C16.

For 2nd gen R7 2700X / R5 2600X you're better off with PBO since most chips only hit 4.2-4.3GHz on ambient for multicore. R5 2600 you might be able to eek out more with manual OC since it's 3.9GHz max boost , the same goes for Ryzen 7 2700 to a lesser extent since max boost is 4.1GHz although 8 cores on 65W TDP means the clocks drop far faster since the power limit is lower (it goes by temperature, power, and the max turbo clock).

Quote: Originally Posted by arkantos91 View Post
Is Ryzen balanced still the way to go? I'm out of the loop.

BIOS F8, should I upgrade to something newer also?
A power profile with <50% min processor state is required for the boost algorithm, it doesn't necessarily need to be Ryzen Balanced. With 90-100% min processor state it goes to ~ 4.2GHz from what I've seen.

From F30-F40 you need the new AMD chipset drivers (18.50.16.01 or later). If you aren't upgrading to Ryzen 3rd gen yet I'd wait for Gigabyte to make a less mysterious EC firmware tool and also for people to thoroughly test F40 and later.
06-22-2019 01:59 PM
Echoa So I've now joined the Ryzen ranks after many years on my z87 rig. My z87 rig froze then started giving me Machine Check errors and refused to boot and refused to post 1/2 the time so forced new PC time. Went with this board because ive had good luck with Gigabyte for many years through AMD and Intel systems + the REAL heatsink and Solid VRM combo on this board. Running a Ryzen 1600 (109$ on sale) waiting for Ryzen 3k launch.

I was lucky enough to hit the 1.55GHz bug trying to overclock and figured out it was C&Qs doing, but im curious if there's any other quirks when OCing 1St gen Ryzen on this board. Right now im running 3.8GHz with +0.1 offset (static better?) And 3000MHz gskill with timings tightened from 16-18-18 to 15-17-17

Im also hoping I dont need to worry about the EC firmware update on F40 BIOS ( i dont use windows) running only 2 dimms. Im assuming its because this board uses T Top and not Daisy Chain Ryzen 3k seems geared for but only time will tell
06-22-2019 06:46 AM
arkantos91 Is Ryzen balanced still the way to go? I'm out of the loop.

BIOS F8, should I upgrade to something newer also?
06-17-2019 01:01 PM
tsamolotoff Microcode is there, so it should support it (unlike all MSI boards). Obviously, no ways of checking it, apart from the fact that AMD already had Gaming 7 on one of the shows along with Matisse and Navi card.
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