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09-11-2018 06:10 PM
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09-10-2018 08:15 PM
guttheslayer
Quote: Originally Posted by GTRxGravity View Post
If you have to convince yourself in the first place then it isnt a good deal at all.
This. I would vote this for the best comment in this thread.
09-10-2018 08:12 PM
SuperZan
Quote: Originally Posted by Jpmboy View Post
... nope there sure is not, but you can be held legally liable for disregarding a fiduciary responsibility ...
Case law isn't all that decisive on that subject, but more often than not decisions are made in favour of directors, not shareholder plaintiffs. Dodge v. Ford is effectively never cited anymore as case law has diverged widely over the past few decades. If Jensen legitimately believes that slaughtering the sheep is better for Nvidia than shearing them, he's entitled to do so. He could also decide that a broader view of stakeholders and Nvidia's place in the tech world (especially gaming) would require a more nuanced approach. In neither event is he likely to face retaliation from shareholders, and if he does he's even less likely to be punished for it.
09-10-2018 06:30 PM
Jpmboy
Quote: Originally Posted by azanimefan View Post
This is actually 100% wrong.

Companies have no legal obligation to make "as much money as possible". What your mixing up is PUBLICLY traded companies and their responsibility to their share holders. In theory, the default purpose of a publicly traded company is to maximize profits for their shareholders. That's the job of the board of directors and CEO. That said many publicly traded companies also have corporate rules in place about "responsible" corporate citizenship, some have rules about being a "green" company, some have rules about employee compensation, those rules are all decided by their shareholders, the board of directors and CEO. Some companies will actively prevent themselves from attaining too dominant a market position to prevent anti-trust issues.

Nvidia is NOT following any "law" by gouging consumers, if anything it's treading on the edge of anti-trust regulation by doing so. AMD's market cap probably has to be weaker then it is for this to be a legit concern but it is a concern. At best NVIDIA is honoring the direction from the board of directors and it's shareholders, however there is no legal coercion to do so.
nope there sure is not, but you can be held legally liable for disregarding a fiduciary responsibility, including even getting sued when your stock goes up (by shorts). - you can price your business... right out of business, whether too low or high. However, NV does significant market research for its consumer division (which is not the majority of their top line, nor why the stock is over $200) and does not price their top-tier consumer-grade GPUs beyond what the target segment will bear.
Titan V is $3000 and it sold in expected numbers. Titan "T" may push that segment a bit further. IMO, $1200 is not Titan territory any more.


Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post
I am a bit curious.

Could you kindly point me to a few examples where INTEL has increased price by 70% from one arch to the next on medium range parts? I am discarding the ludicrous prices on 10 cores which hit almost 2000 EUR in my area. INTEL classified those as high end parts.
Those who think that the 2080TI is a high end part are mistaken. It is priced high end because they are the only game in town. Why does this card have a TITAN price?
Have you purchase a 7980XE... including the pigeon poop TIM? Pretty close to that % increase over the 6950X (which was soldered). Intel has been pretty disappointing lately, but I still have 'em.
09-10-2018 04:30 PM
GTRxGravity
Quote: Originally Posted by Kriant View Post
Well,

I ended up caving in for two EVGA 2080ti FTW3's. I sold my 1080ti's for about 90% of the price that I purchased them over a year ago, so money-wise I am convincing myself (and it's a hard sell) that I am "just adding" another $1200 total towards the best of the best, and not paying over 2 grands for the cards.

I won't go too bankrupt because of it, and I don't have a wife that I need to ask permission to go on a spending spree.....so yeah.
If you have to convince yourself in the first place then it isnt a good deal at all.
09-10-2018 03:02 PM
Kriant Well,

I ended up caving in for two EVGA 2080ti FTW3's. I sold my 1080ti's for about 90% of the price that I purchased them over a year ago, so money-wise I am convincing myself (and it's a hard sell) that I am "just adding" another $1200 total towards the best of the best, and not paying over 2 grands for the cards.

I won't go too bankrupt because of it, and I don't have a wife that I need to ask permission to go on a spending spree.....so yeah.
09-10-2018 01:52 PM
wingman99
Quote: Originally Posted by criminal View Post
True point, but you are still going further down the graphics tier to overpay. No matter how you slice it, buying a new Nvidia card from the 2*** family is going to be grossly overpriced compared to previous generations.



Yep. But I have to think there has to be a tipping point eventually. In Nvidia's perfect world they could continue to raise prices until they charge $1k for the *70 series card, but I would hope consumers would stop buying long before prices get that out of hand. Who knows though, we have consumers that keep justifying the prices which still befuddles me.
I agree, I can't believe the amount of folks defending nvidia pricing, when they have not said how much it cost them to make the cards.
09-10-2018 11:39 AM
criminal
Quote: Originally Posted by ClashOfClans View Post
Not an Nvidia defender but not everyone has to have the 2080 Ti or the 2080. There are a lot more reasonable options like the 2070 or 2060 to follow. 2080 Ti is for guys that'll pay anything for the next best thing. You get the 2070 and that'll probably match 1080 Ti performance I'm betting. 2060 probably gonna match gtx1080 performance. Sell your mid-range cards now to get the equivalent next gen mid-range card and you got a pretty cheap upgrade. Heck if I sell my 1060 now upgrading to this used 1080 Ti will cost me about $250. Not bad.

True point, but you are still going further down the graphics tier to overpay. No matter how you slice it, buying a new Nvidia card from the 2*** family is going to be grossly overpriced compared to previous generations.

Quote: Originally Posted by GTRxGravity View Post
Yeah keep on trying to justify these insane prices. We used to have the full die at $500. Now it only nets you an entry level card. We heard the same story with the Titan. Like if you cant afford Titan then go for the 1080Ti.. now the same thing is said of the 2080Ti. When will it stop?
Reasonsble options? How about reasonable prices first? When a cut die gpu cost more than a relatively powerful build something is very wrong somewhere.
Yep. But I have to think there has to be a tipping point eventually. In Nvidia's perfect world they could continue to raise prices until they charge $1k for the *70 series card, but I would hope consumers would stop buying long before prices get that out of hand. Who knows though, we have consumers that keep justifying the prices which still befuddles me.
09-10-2018 03:51 AM
GTRxGravity
Quote: Originally Posted by ClashOfClans View Post
Not an Nvidia defender but not everyone has to have the 2080 Ti or the 2080. There are a lot more reasonable options like the 2070 or 2060 to follow. 2080 Ti is for guys that'll pay anything for the next best thing. You get the 2070 and that'll probably match 1080 Ti performance I'm betting. 2060 probably gonna match gtx1080 performance. Sell your mid-range cards now to get the equivalent next gen mid-range card and you got a pretty cheap upgrade. Heck if I sell my 1060 now upgrading to this used 1080 Ti will cost me about $250. Not bad.
Yeah keep on trying to justify these insane prices. We used to have the full die at $500. Now it only nets you an entry level card. We heard the same story with the Titan. Like if you cant afford Titan then go for the 1080Ti.. now the same thing is said of the 2080Ti. When will it stop?
Reasonsble options? How about reasonable prices first? When a cut die gpu cost more than a relatively powerful build something is very wrong somewhere.
09-10-2018 03:50 AM
profundido
Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post
Where is that rep button when you need it.
QFT. I have an appreciation for new tech that breaks barriers and provides 60% performance increase like the 1080ti was and I can even accept that due their monopoly nvidia charges high prices for such jewels but what they are doing this round...no wait...trying to do this round is simply beyond belief. Luckily the power is in my hands as a consumer and therefore I have decided not to buy any of these generation's cards. It is my sincere hope that many others will follow and not buy in order to teach nvidia a lesson and encourage them to bring prices and performance back to the realm of reality...
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