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11-11-2019 02:04 PM
ToTheSun! So, story time.

After the Windows reinstallation fixed everything, just 24h later I'm back to square 1. I set everything up, as I would, including an Apex installation. I played most of yesterday without issues. Today, I come back and notice the same weird behavior I had noticed before (50-75% performance loss in-game), so I turn to Firestrike benchmarking to confirm what I was fearing: a 3K graphics score loss, like before (27K down from 30K earlier: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/40910301?).

I'm... dumbfounded. I'm having a hard time believing Apex Legends is breaking my system to this extent, but, absent better advice from this thread, now I have to do it all again and keep away from the damned game for a week or so.

If anyone has ANY IDEA WHATSOEVER, I welcome it. Please!
11-11-2019 02:07 AM
ToTheSun!
Quote: Originally Posted by sirleeofroy View Post
Well, I'm glad a reinstall sorted it... Whilst you could do a deep dive and find out what silly process/program/registry entry is slowing things down, with windows taking all of 10 mins to install these days, it is pretty much always quicker to just do that. I once spent 3 days trying to figure out a performance problem, it improved with some messing around but in effect, it was 3 days wasted.... 10 min reinstall and pow, back to form!! In fact, now I come to think of it, my system could do with a good ole refresh!!
Well, within the realm of my capabilities and understanding, I was unable to find exactly what was acting up. It all started after I updated Apex Legends (it was all fine mere hours before that), so my suspicion had always been some borked DX file(s).

Like you said, though, easier cleaned than fixed.
11-11-2019 01:41 AM
sirleeofroy
Quote: Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post
So, the good news is that reinstalling Windows fixed everything. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/40848638?

The bad news is... I don't know why it did. Now I will probably benchmark my system every week or whatever.

Oh, well!
Well, I'm glad a reinstall sorted it... Whilst you could do a deep dive and find out what silly process/program/registry entry is slowing things down, with windows taking all of 10 mins to install these days, it is pretty much always quicker to just do that. I once spent 3 days trying to figure out a performance problem, it improved with some messing around but in effect, it was 3 days wasted.... 10 min reinstall and pow, back to form!! In fact, now I come to think of it, my system could do with a good ole refresh!!
11-10-2019 03:14 AM
Imprezzion I'm trying to find a fancurve with fan off in idle to find a balance in temperatures so my card will always run in the 50c bracket to mitigate the drop in clocks every 10c. My card does run 2100 fine under load but if I set it so that my card loads at 2100 it will start at 2130/2145 when it's still "cold" and that often crashes before it warms up completely so I'm stuck at 2070 load now.

This might take a while.. there's still no BIOS mod available that disables boost all together allowing for fixed 3D clocks is there?
11-09-2019 06:10 PM
ToTheSun!
Quote: Originally Posted by sirleeofroy View Post
Ok, so I did a compare of my best and worst recorded FS runs.... The lowest score I have is also the oldest driver version as I picked up my 2080 in March I think.

It's not quite apples to apples as I oc my memory whereas your runs look stock, however your card (recent scores excluded) does perform better than mine.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/17...1/fs/18784123#
Quote: Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post
Thanks for taking your time. Guess I'm back to square one, though. I'll try reinstalling Windows this weekend and see what happens. Though I'm sure it won't help, I ran out of options at this point.
So, the good news is that reinstalling Windows fixed everything. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/40848638?

The bad news is... I don't know why it did. Now I will probably benchmark my system every week or whatever.

Oh, well!
11-07-2019 01:56 PM
ToTheSun!
Quote: Originally Posted by sirleeofroy View Post
Ok, so I did a compare of my best and worst recorded FS runs.... The lowest score I have is also the oldest driver version as I picked up my 2080 in March I think.

It's not quite apples to apples as I oc my memory whereas your runs look stock, however your card (recent scores excluded) does perform better than mine.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/17...1/fs/18784123#
Thanks for taking your time. Guess I'm back to square one, though. I'll try reinstalling Windows this weekend and see what happens. Though I'm sure it won't help, I ran out of options at this point.
11-07-2019 11:35 AM
sirleeofroy
Quote: Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post
That would be really cool, thanks!

My clocks are 2025 MHz, 2010 40-50 ºC, and 1995 MHz beyond that. It's AIO, so it never really reaches 60ºC (which is where I assume the next clock step is). So, the absolute minimum is always 1995 MHz.

Also, it coil whines in some benchmarks, whatever that's particularly indicative of in my situation.
Ok, so I did a compare of my best and worst recorded FS runs.... The lowest score I have is also the oldest driver version as I picked up my 2080 in March I think.

It's not quite apples to apples as I oc my memory whereas your runs look stock, however your card (recent scores excluded) does perform better than mine.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/17...1/fs/18784123#
11-07-2019 05:18 AM
Imprezzion
Quote: Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post
That would be really cool, thanks!

My clocks are 2025 MHz, 2010 40-50 ºC, and 1995 MHz beyond that. It's AIO, so it never really reaches 60ºC (which is where I assume the next clock step is). So, the absolute minimum is always 1995 MHz.

Also, it coil whines in some benchmarks, whatever that's particularly indicative of in my situation.
Coil whine is pretty normal in RTX cards. Both 2080's I have / had are pretty whiny.

My card now is a MSI Gaming X Trio 2080 with stock BIOS running Curve OC @ 1.093v. Stock paste is terrible, repasted with Prolimatech PK-3 (my go-to performance paste) and dropped 10-12c off the temps.

It runs in the mid 50c range on a custom fan curve even on 1.093v with maxed powerlimits. Clocks are 2100 on idle temps, 2085 40-50 and 2070 above 50c. This is Rock solid. It maintains 2085 just fine but 2115 crashed sometimes when starting a game and it hasn't warmed up yet so yeah, had to drop 1 clock bin.
11-07-2019 04:48 AM
ToTheSun!
Quote: Originally Posted by sirleeofroy View Post
If its a driver thing then I can confirm later, I'll run some quick benches on mine and see where I'm at compared to runs from earlier this year.
That would be really cool, thanks!

My clocks are 2025 MHz, 2010 40-50 ºC, and 1995 MHz beyond that. It's AIO, so it never really reaches 60ºC (which is where I assume the next clock step is). So, the absolute minimum is always 1995 MHz.

Also, it coil whines in some benchmarks, whatever that's particularly indicative of in my situation.
11-07-2019 04:11 AM
sirleeofroy
Quote: Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post
Thanks. I already DDU'd and clean installed twice. Still, the problems persist. I get a 50-75% performance deficit in Apex Legends (though it might be more of a problem with the recent patch), worse performance in RDR2 with the most recent drivers (compared to what reviewers are getting at stock clocks), and worse performance in Valley. The only bench I've come close to expected performance (but not quite) is Superposition.

This was all tested on a system with no AV shenanigans that idles below 1% CPU.

A friend of mine thinks I'm experiencing the early stages of Turing's premature death, but I honestly can't tell at this point.
Not so sure about the premature death bit! Have you monitored your GPU temps while benching along with the corresponding clocks? My initial though is that you might be thermal throttling.... As you probably know, Pascal and Turing are super sensitive to temps and throttle back quite harshly... Some other food for thought, I dropped on average 8c in temps by repasting my GPU with some Grizzly Kryonaut.

I assume you are at stock clocks on the GPU and Memory at the moment?

If its a driver thing then I can confirm later, I'll run some quick benches on mine and see where I'm at compared to runs from earlier this year.
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